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by bambax 1y ago

| Monitor and protect your web app from cyberfraud, account threats, bots and abuse with a single security platform. Sure but how is this better than setting up the font in CSS? There may be an advantage to not having an external CSS file, but setting up CSS rules inside the HTML file works perfectly well and is much more maintainable than this IMHO.

reconnecting 1y ago
The short answer: Because anyone can do this using in-line or in-file CSS. The long answer: Technologies are a blend of humans and machines. Typing HTML code by yourself, especially in 2025, gives another level of meaning and human touch. It's more like modern art in some way.
- Mashimo 1y ago
 Might be art, might be fun. But you also claimed it's easy to update. But now you have to write every time you create another one of those elements. And if you want to change the font you would need to search and replace in different .html files. It does not seem easy to update.
 - reconnecting 1y ago
 Easy to update means you only need a text editor and source code to maintain it. Regarding the effort to write `` (I'm just typing this again), it's fairly easy, and taking into account the meaning of the text inside those tags, it is worth spending the time for typing.
 - 28304283409234 1y ago
 Easy as in 'you do not need to shave a yack, just open a text editor'. As opposed to "install node, sass, webpack, vuex, tailwind" or what have you nowadays. I like that. Few or no dependencies.
 - wartijn_ 1y ago
 But the same can be achieved by using css. Then there's still nothing to install, and it's still something you can change by just opening a text editor. Plus it would be easy to update in the sense your parent poster meant. And with css you're using the right tools to style your website, so you won't have people complaining the website isn't working well on mobile, although you thought it would be. I'm all for using simple tools and web standards, but this website with its layout build with tables is a terrible example.
 - reconnecting 1y ago
 Just for fun, I tried opening the tirreno website on the first iPhone now, and it works as it should. However, it must be clear that no one expects this website to be taken as an example. Back in the day, there was no other solution than using tables and 1px gif spacing, this is just a reminder of how things were at the beginning. It’s like seeing neon gas advertising and insisting it should be made with a flat screen display. In this case, it’s our way of bringing back neon to the web.
 kelas 1y ago
 No, brother - a neon tube requires at least a 4kV transformer, she's not so easy going. And in 2025 there are still absolutely valid use cases for CRT oscilloscopes, lamp amplifiers, LPs and Compact Cassettes, if you're old enough to know what those things are. But arithmometers are only useful to have fun under influence, sorry. Don't be a luddite. A modern web browser, on the other hand, is the closest the humanity ever got to building a tower of Babylon, which is very easy to see by spending a few hours exploring how the Chromium sausage is made. I'm not aware of any worse codebase out there in the wild, and it is definitely not glowing neon. On yet another hand, there are good news - it is just a matter of time when DOM API will get properly exposed to WASM VM, and on that sunny day all script kiddies, along with nodejs kiddies, along with endless pythonista will finally and traumatically learn the difference between the definitions of "computer programmer" and "software developer". The day will come, and computer programming will again be art and full of fun. You always get back to the basics, they say. But the road is long and full of sticks and stones, just like a false sheperd called 1-pixel gif. That's not yet the art of programming, sorry. And btw I fully support HN for flagging this post. The quality of writing there is as silly as it is obnoxious.
- kelas 1y ago
 Hard to disagree on the last part, but hand-coding HTML4 for food in 2025 is not the answer. First, it will look horrible. Second, if will look even more horrible on mobiles, which are first. Third, if you're really determined to go piedi nudi nel parco in a modern browser, why not abandon HTML4 as well, and the dreaded 1-pixel along with it? Just escape everything altogether, and you'll be fine. Avoid HTML5, CSS, WOFF, Canvas, and all other dreadfully slow and bug-ridden APIs. You'll be fine, take my word for it. All you need, really, is unobstructed access to target GPU, which will be orders of magnitude faster than all API bs and still do more than HTML4 ever could. For one example, can you figure out how the following page manages to render an HTML page with Garamond Math on it without loading any Garamond Math to begin with and no HTML to write home about? Network tab is a good start: https://kel.as https://kel.as Buckle up and enjoy the ride.
 - reconnecting 1y ago
 The ultimate irony of the moment is that you're typing this exact comment on a webpage that contains the following code: <table border='0'> <tr> <td class='ind' indent='0'> <img src="s.gif" height="1" width="0"> </td>

by bambax 1y ago

reconnecting 1y ago

The short answer: Because anyone can do this using in-line or in-file CSS. The long answer: Technologies are a blend of humans and machines. Typing HTML code by yourself, especially in 2025, gives another level of meaning and human touch. It's more like modern art in some way.

Mashimo 1y ago
Might be art, might be fun. But you also claimed it's easy to update. But now you have to write every time you create another one of those elements. And if you want to change the font you would need to search and replace in different .html files. It does not seem easy to update.
- reconnecting 1y ago
 Easy to update means you only need a text editor and source code to maintain it. Regarding the effort to write `` (I'm just typing this again), it's fairly easy, and taking into account the meaning of the text inside those tags, it is worth spending the time for typing.
- 28304283409234 1y ago
 Easy as in 'you do not need to shave a yack, just open a text editor'. As opposed to "install node, sass, webpack, vuex, tailwind" or what have you nowadays. I like that. Few or no dependencies.
 - wartijn_ 1y ago
 But the same can be achieved by using css. Then there's still nothing to install, and it's still something you can change by just opening a text editor. Plus it would be easy to update in the sense your parent poster meant. And with css you're using the right tools to style your website, so you won't have people complaining the website isn't working well on mobile, although you thought it would be. I'm all for using simple tools and web standards, but this website with its layout build with tables is a terrible example.
 - reconnecting 1y ago
 Just for fun, I tried opening the tirreno website on the first iPhone now, and it works as it should. However, it must be clear that no one expects this website to be taken as an example. Back in the day, there was no other solution than using tables and 1px gif spacing, this is just a reminder of how things were at the beginning. It’s like seeing neon gas advertising and insisting it should be made with a flat screen display. In this case, it’s our way of bringing back neon to the web.
 - kelas 1y ago
 No, brother - a neon tube requires at least a 4kV transformer, she's not so easy going. And in 2025 there are still absolutely valid use cases for CRT oscilloscopes, lamp amplifiers, LPs and Compact Cassettes, if you're old enough to know what those things are. But arithmometers are only useful to have fun under influence, sorry. Don't be a luddite. A modern web browser, on the other hand, is the closest the humanity ever got to building a tower of Babylon, which is very easy to see by spending a few hours exploring how the Chromium sausage is made. I'm not aware of any worse codebase out there in the wild, and it is definitely not glowing neon. On yet another hand, there are good news - it is just a matter of time when DOM API will get properly exposed to WASM VM, and on that sunny day all script kiddies, along with nodejs kiddies, along with endless pythonista will finally and traumatically learn the difference between the definitions of "computer programmer" and "software developer". The day will come, and computer programming will again be art and full of fun. You always get back to the basics, they say. But the road is long and full of sticks and stones, just like a false sheperd called 1-pixel gif. That's not yet the art of programming, sorry. And btw I fully support HN for flagging this post. The quality of writing there is as silly as it is obnoxious.
kelas 1y ago
Hard to disagree on the last part, but hand-coding HTML4 for food in 2025 is not the answer. First, it will look horrible. Second, if will look even more horrible on mobiles, which are first. Third, if you're really determined to go piedi nudi nel parco in a modern browser, why not abandon HTML4 as well, and the dreaded 1-pixel along with it? Just escape everything altogether, and you'll be fine. Avoid HTML5, CSS, WOFF, Canvas, and all other dreadfully slow and bug-ridden APIs. You'll be fine, take my word for it. All you need, really, is unobstructed access to target GPU, which will be orders of magnitude faster than all API bs and still do more than HTML4 ever could. For one example, can you figure out how the following page manages to render an HTML page with Garamond Math on it without loading any Garamond Math to begin with and no HTML to write home about? Network tab is a good start: https://kel.as https://kel.as Buckle up and enjoy the ride.
- reconnecting 1y ago
 The ultimate irony of the moment is that you're typing this exact comment on a webpage that contains the following code: <table border='0'> <tr> <td class='ind' indent='0'> <img src="s.gif" height="1" width="0"> </td>

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