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... but you can be a bro and make sure that hardware is close to the surface somewhere for easy access, its presence isn't required to start and operate the car
by rustcleaner 1y ago
... but you can be a bro and make sure that hardware is close to the surface somewhere for easy access, its presence isn't required to start and operate the car (either firmware check or the immobilizer performing metrics), and its removal does not cause an obvious and annoying alert during operation (IE removal should not make the car appear to be in a 'degraded' state per its indicators).
You are complying by installing it, the customers are the ones [easily] removing it [because you were a bro].
- ponector 1y agoIt is mandatory to have and it is in checklist during annual vehicle check. Without it it is not street legal. And the car should show an error in case the module is removed/failed. Those safety add-ons are there for a reason.
- GenshoTikamura 1y agoThose are not safety addons, those are surveillance ones
- pbasista 1y agoPlease do not intentionally conflate the two concepts. Connectivity is one thing. Using connectivity for surveillance is another. If a car is connected to the internet, it does not automatically mean that it is also collecting car data and sending it somewhere.
- the8472 1y agoIs the modem always on or does it only get activated on an accident? If it's the former then cell towers log your location.
- pbasista 1y agoYes, that is correct. But it is a different concept. The mobile network operators do that. Not the car. The car does not even have any way to stop that apart from going offline.
- the8472 1y agoFirst of all, you didn't directly answer my question, it wasn't a yes/no question. I don't know how these systems work. If they're almost always offline it would be a lot less concerning. Secondly, the government makes both regulations (cell tower data retention, emergency calling). So in combination the government regulated user tracking. Where exactly it happens isn't really that important. Once the data is being collected it'll end up being used. Usually it starts with major crimes and anonymized statistics, once the automated infrastructure has been created it'll be abused either illegally by police overreach or legally by a tough-on-X government changing the rules. It's not like this is some novel pattern...
- oblio 1y agoIt's surveillance if the car manufacturer wants to use it for that.
- graemep 1y agoWhich they inevitably will.
- stronglikedan 1y agoReally, it's only surveillance, thinly veiled as safety. The reality is that my car is no safer with an LTE modem. Zilch. Zero. It's purely surveillance, if you don't fall for the marketing. In fact, I'm going to find mine and faraday that shit this weekend.
- ponector 1y agoLet me guess: you are afraid of the surveillance, use only cash for payment, pager for connectivity and have no permanent address? It's safer and convenient to have a connected car. I like it that way. When you can open your car app and check the location where it is parked, amount of gas or request ventilation/ac.
- graemep 1y agoThat is a blatant reductio ad absurdum. People should have the right to reasonable privacy without being homeless and off grid. I am happy to share my address and phone number etc. but not to be tracked wherever I go or have everything I do on my computer or within my home monitored. These are different things.