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I don't find your explanation for the Dems low approval rating very convincing. After 4 years of Joe Biden, the American people voted in the most disruptive, ch

I don't find your explanation for the Dems low approval rating very convincing. After 4 years of Joe Biden, the American people voted in the most disruptive, change agent in US political history, the polar opposite of Joe Biden. So fairly obviously people are not happy with the Dems. Fentanyl is obviously related to the Democrat open border policy. Gangs establishing territory in the US is obviously related to the Democrat open border policy. You can tie yourself in knots with whatever tortuous logic you choose to justify the unjustifiable but most people (like me) are on the side of commonsense. Close the borders and manage immigration in an orderly, controlled way. With regard to deporting the family of illegal immigrants, the people responsible for this situation is the Democrats who opened the borders and the family that chose to break the law by immigrating illegally. Re: the "purely numbers thing". You haven't understood the point I was making. With any govt action at scale (Dems or Republican) there will always be winners and losers. Depending on your bias (and we can obviously see your bias) you'll focus on whatever outlier situation you find to justify your political framing. And there are so many "very dark paths" aren't there? Some people might consider weaponising the justice system in an attempt to take out a political opponent a very dark path". Or others might consider constructing a fake dossier alleging political collusion with Russia, and then using that fake dossier to weaponise the FBI against a political opponent, a "very dark path". Others might consider opening the borders to illegal migration at scale to sway the voter demographics in your favour (a complete corruption of democracy), a "very dark path". Not to mention the sex trafficking at scale, the importation of fentanyl at scale as a result of the open border policy could also be a "very dark path". Others might consider hiding the diminished mental state of a president (in collusion with the media) and gaslighting the public on this issue, so that a cabal of unelected bureacrats can run the country from behind closed doors, a "very dark path". Others might consider placing enormous pressure on social media companies to censor public discourse thereby bypassing the first amendment a "very dark path". So please spare me your highly, highly selective, performative faux "concern". I simply can't take you seriously.

shadowgovt 1y ago
The feeling is mutual because much of what you have said applies to the current President as well. For a country that was, ostensibly, as you claim, tired of the government being weaponized for political ends, the President's mental decline being hidden by his lickspittles, and fentanyl and illegal immigration, they sure picked a winner, didn't they? A 78-year-old with obvious deteriorating health who already had the job and failed at it. And it's on the court record that the GOP planned to use the census to manipulate demographics for representation purposes (because their leadership knows the actual population, undocumented immigration or no, is trending away from people who will vote for them over time; most of the power they hold now is from gerrymandering of representation regions), so your protestations and conspiracy theory around illegal immigration being a political ploy ring extremely hollow. I think America is getting the government it has chosen and appears to be reaping the consequences. So if you support these decisions, I can't really take you seriously either. Americans wanted someone to fix their drug and border problems and what they got is a guy who will take a free jet with him when he leaves the job. All hail American democracy, right?
- lazyeye 1y ago
  Politicians attempting to improve their chances at elections is about as far from a conspiracy theory as you can get. (Why were the Dems gaslighting the public about how "difficult" it was to solve the border problem? For years we've heard ...."We need legislation! We need more money!"). Trump closed the border within weeks so clearly the Dems were lying through their teeth (nobody is shocked, the Dems have been lying about everything). And your "trend" argument is very weak, people were surprised at the demographic trends in the recent election even though it was a minor bump. So it's not really a good explanation for the last 4 years of wide-open borders. We are in the very early stages of major change and disruption. III make my assessment after a year or two, not after a few months into the new presidency.
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    The conspiracy theory is that the immigration policy is about encouraging demographic shift because it benefits some politicians over others (as opposed to other explanations such as "There's only but so much you can do to discourage immigration before it crosses over into 'cruelty unbecoming a civilized society'"). It really doesn't hold up to scrutiny of either evidence (Latinos supported Trump significantly in the 2024 election) or common sense ("if immigrants cause problems, wouldn't politicians supporting free immigration lose votes, not gain them? So you end up with a state with more representation but then you hand the representation immediately to the other party? Who benefits?"). > Trump closed the border within weeks Then what happened? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-13/the-us-travel-economy-is-headed-for-a-12-billion-slump-this-year https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-13/the-us-tr... Here's a counter-hypothesis: Maybe the Dems didn't do that when they were in power because it was a very stupid idea. There are many, many ways to "solve" the border problem that leave the country far worse off than when the problem was just unsolved. What is your trust level in this administration finding them? > We are in the very early stages of major change and disruption On this, we agree. Though I suspect you're thinking more "new, better America" and I'm thinking "Fall of Rome." His last term ended with a barely-managed pandemic; maybe he can top himself in round 2.
    - 1y ago

shadowgovt 1y ago

The feeling is mutual because much of what you have said applies to the current President as well. For a country that was, ostensibly, as you claim, tired of the government being weaponized for political ends, the President's mental decline being hidden by his lickspittles, and fentanyl and illegal immigration, they sure picked a winner, didn't they? A 78-year-old with obvious deteriorating health who already had the job and failed at it. And it's on the court record that the GOP planned to use the census to manipulate demographics for representation purposes (because their leadership knows the actual population, undocumented immigration or no, is trending away from people who will vote for them over time; most of the power they hold now is from gerrymandering of representation regions), so your protestations and conspiracy theory around illegal immigration being a political ploy ring extremely hollow. I think America is getting the government it has chosen and appears to be reaping the consequences. So if you support these decisions, I can't really take you seriously either. Americans wanted someone to fix their drug and border problems and what they got is a guy who will take a free jet with him when he leaves the job. All hail American democracy, right?

lazyeye 1y ago
Politicians attempting to improve their chances at elections is about as far from a conspiracy theory as you can get. (Why were the Dems gaslighting the public about how "difficult" it was to solve the border problem? For years we've heard ...."We need legislation! We need more money!"). Trump closed the border within weeks so clearly the Dems were lying through their teeth (nobody is shocked, the Dems have been lying about everything). And your "trend" argument is very weak, people were surprised at the demographic trends in the recent election even though it was a minor bump. So it's not really a good explanation for the last 4 years of wide-open borders. We are in the very early stages of major change and disruption. III make my assessment after a year or two, not after a few months into the new presidency.
- shadowgovt 1y ago
  The conspiracy theory is that the immigration policy is about encouraging demographic shift because it benefits some politicians over others (as opposed to other explanations such as "There's only but so much you can do to discourage immigration before it crosses over into 'cruelty unbecoming a civilized society'"). It really doesn't hold up to scrutiny of either evidence (Latinos supported Trump significantly in the 2024 election) or common sense ("if immigrants cause problems, wouldn't politicians supporting free immigration lose votes, not gain them? So you end up with a state with more representation but then you hand the representation immediately to the other party? Who benefits?"). > Trump closed the border within weeks Then what happened? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-13/the-us-travel-economy-is-headed-for-a-12-billion-slump-this-year https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-13/the-us-tr... Here's a counter-hypothesis: Maybe the Dems didn't do that when they were in power because it was a very stupid idea. There are many, many ways to "solve" the border problem that leave the country far worse off than when the problem was just unsolved. What is your trust level in this administration finding them? > We are in the very early stages of major change and disruption On this, we agree. Though I suspect you're thinking more "new, better America" and I'm thinking "Fall of Rome." His last term ended with a barely-managed pandemic; maybe he can top himself in round 2.
  - 1y ago