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That's also a silly idea. Companies get sued all the time. There is recourse. If you run a bank that runs an AI model to make decisions on home loans and the ef
by danielmarkbruce 1y ago
That's also a silly idea. Companies get sued all the time. There is recourse. If you run a bank that runs an AI model to make decisions on home loans and the effect is no black people get a loan, you are going to find yourself in court the exact same way as if you hire loan officers who are a bunch of racists. There is no difference.
It is available to the entity running inference. Every single token and all the probabilities of every choice. But every decision made at every company isn't subject to a court hearing. So no, that's also a silly idea.
- kazinator 1y agoCompanies pretty much never get sued by anyone who is from a low income or otherwise disadvantaged group. It has to be pro bono work, or a big class action suit.
- danielmarkbruce 1y agoCompletely wrong. Companies get sued by various government agencies all the time. The FTC, DOJ, SEC, EPA, CFPB, probably others I can't think of. Even if you were right, AI doesn't change any of it - companies are liable.
- cess11 1y agoSo when the corporations and the state decide to be nasty, that's OK?
- genewitch 1y agoI've been getting a real "well, they deserved it" vibe off this site tonight. Thanks for not being that way.
- ToucanLoucan 1y agoThe user base for this site is incredibly privileged. Not meant as a judgement just a stated observation.
- kazinator 1y agoSpeaking of which, I more accurately should have stated that even people from a higher earning working class are not going to sue. Suing requires not only a commitment of cash, but time. People who work don't have the time; especially if they have children. It's a gamble; what if you lose? Litigation is mainly a form of sport available to and enjoyed by the rich. And I mean serious litigation like taking on some corporation with deep pockets; not pick-on-someone-your-own-size litigation as in neighbor cut down a tree which fell onto your toolshed.
- watwut 1y agoFirst, to the extend these checks worked, they are being destroyed. Second, have you ever look at rhat space? Because the agencies that done this were already weak, the hurdles you had to overcome were massive and the space was abused by companie to the maximum.
- exsomet 1y agoTaking the example of healthcare, a person may not have time to sue over an adverse decision. If the recourse is “you can sue the insurance company, but it’s going to take so long you’ll probably die while you’re waiting on that”, that’s not recourse.
- jclulow 1y agoRight, this is the bedrock upon which injunctive relief is made available; viz., when money after the fact would not cancel out the damages caused by a party doing the wrong thing. Unfortunately you can't get that relief without having an expensive lawyer, generally, so it doesn't end up being terribly equitable for low income folks.
- sokoloff 1y agoI would bet on AI well before humans when it comes to “which of these applications should be granted a home loan?” and then tracking which loans get paid as agreed.