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Have you never just built something for fun?

by dpe82 1y ago

strogonoff 1y ago
I have built a panel like the one I mentioned for fun with friends! The goal of my comment was to highlight opportunities for more fun and less what seems like toil. Furthermore, this is an article about a telemetry solution posted on a site of that telemetry solution. They make money from this.
- dewey 1y ago
  One persons toil is another persons fun.
  - strogonoff 1y ago
    And sometimes a person is paid to pretend toil is fun. We are talking about spending hours setting up telemetry instead of playing a game.
    - dewey 1y ago
      Not everyone is into gaming. I rather code on my side projects than use my console. Or people tweak and customize their Linux installation instead of doing work on it. Some people like to work on their cars, driving is a small part of it.
      - strogonoff 1y ago
        I agree, and I am as guilty of procrastination. However, the author is not really procrastinating—he gets paid for this. Me, I do in fact procrastinate on setting up a Minecraft server infra in the cloud. Maybe that’s precisely why the solution to this problem strikes me as inadequate: > So, the Minecraft server should work reliably and, if it goes down, I should know well before they do How are metrics helpful? There is so much fun that could be had in setting up an actually resilient system instead. Why worry over metrics and alerts when you could orchestrate an infrastructure that grants you the superpower of being able to spin up a server with a copy of the world on a whim instead (or even a system that auto-starts one whenever there is demand)?
        dewey 1y ago
        You are somehow very negative about this piece and are not understanding that your definition of fun is not universal. As you said "There is so much fun that could be had in setting up an actually resilient system instead.", maybe the author has more fun setting up alerts and metrics instead of a resilient system like you do? The truth is that in most real-world scenarios getting alerts, metrics is much more important than building a fully resilient system (Expensive, maybe overengieering for early stage etc.). > However, the author is not really procrastinating—he gets paid for this. As the first sentence in the blog post says "One of the secret pleasures of life is to be paid for things you would do for free.", which I can very much understand as I often work or play with things I could use at work in my free time.
        mmanciop 1y ago
        > As you said "There is so much fun that could be had in setting up an actually resilient system instead.", maybe the author has more fun setting up alerts and metrics instead of a resilient system like you do? Adding the backup for the world files, already having Systemd bringing back a crashing server, makes the setup rather resilient. Sure, there's infinite more things that can go wrong, but with swiftly decreasing likelihood. > The truth is that in most real-world scenarios getting alerts, metrics is much more important than building a fully resilient system (Expensive, maybe overengieering for early stage etc.). This, very much this. > However, the author is not really procrastinating—he gets paid for this. As the first sentence in the blog post says "One of the secret pleasures of life is to be paid for things you would do for free.", which I can very much understand as I often work or play with things I could use at work in my free time. Yes :-)
        strogonoff 1y ago
        > The truth is that in most real-world scenarios getting alerts, metrics is much more important than building a fully resilient system (Expensive, maybe overengieering for early stage etc.). Funny, because I have the opposite opinion. Build for failure first; if it’s critical/production then also monitor, but if an earthquake takes down an EC2 zone and you have no ability to spin it up exactly the way it was then the avalanche of alerts and metrics falling off a cliff[0] isn’t exactly going to help you (or your mental well-being). Generally speaking, if you build for failure first, then monitoring becomes much more useful and actionable; and simultaneously it becomes much less important for a hobby project. [0] That assuming you gather them from a different zone that wasn’t affected by the same downtime in the first place; speaking of, how are you monitoring your monitors? and so on.
    - mmanciop 1y ago
      I swear I had a lot of fun setting doing the setup. I am also a massive observability nerd, so YMMV :-)
      - strogonoff 1y ago
        I believe you! Just due to your affiliation I wanted to highlight to any newbie SREs in the audience that perhaps there is a better way. I still think my approach is better, but we can do things differently.
        mmanciop 1y ago
        Indeed if there were “official” container images out there, I might have instead run the server on Google Cloud Run or AWS AppRunner, without having to take care of the Linux underneath. Or an Amazon ECS task. I don’t have a Kubernetes cluster, but I will at some point make a version of this blog to run it on K8s :-)
dengolius 1y ago
Do you mean something like launching k3s on smartphones https://blog.denv.it/posts/pmos-k3s-cluster/ https://blog.denv.it/posts/pmos-k3s-cluster/?

Have you never just built something for fun?

by dpe82 1y ago

Have you never just built something for fun?

I have built a panel like the one I mentioned for fun with friends! The goal of my comment was to highlight opportunities for more fun and less what seems like toil. Furthermore, this is an article about a telemetry solution posted on a site of that telemetry solution. They make money from this.

dewey 1y ago
One persons toil is another persons fun.
- strogonoff 1y ago
  And sometimes a person is paid to pretend toil is fun. We are talking about spending hours setting up telemetry instead of playing a game.
  - dewey 1y ago
    Not everyone is into gaming. I rather code on my side projects than use my console. Or people tweak and customize their Linux installation instead of doing work on it. Some people like to work on their cars, driving is a small part of it.
    - strogonoff 1y ago
      I agree, and I am as guilty of procrastination. However, the author is not really procrastinating—he gets paid for this. Me, I do in fact procrastinate on setting up a Minecraft server infra in the cloud. Maybe that’s precisely why the solution to this problem strikes me as inadequate: > So, the Minecraft server should work reliably and, if it goes down, I should know well before they do How are metrics helpful? There is so much fun that could be had in setting up an actually resilient system instead. Why worry over metrics and alerts when you could orchestrate an infrastructure that grants you the superpower of being able to spin up a server with a copy of the world on a whim instead (or even a system that auto-starts one whenever there is demand)?
      - dewey 1y ago
        You are somehow very negative about this piece and are not understanding that your definition of fun is not universal. As you said "There is so much fun that could be had in setting up an actually resilient system instead.", maybe the author has more fun setting up alerts and metrics instead of a resilient system like you do? The truth is that in most real-world scenarios getting alerts, metrics is much more important than building a fully resilient system (Expensive, maybe overengieering for early stage etc.). > However, the author is not really procrastinating—he gets paid for this. As the first sentence in the blog post says "One of the secret pleasures of life is to be paid for things you would do for free.", which I can very much understand as I often work or play with things I could use at work in my free time.
        mmanciop 1y ago
        > As you said "There is so much fun that could be had in setting up an actually resilient system instead.", maybe the author has more fun setting up alerts and metrics instead of a resilient system like you do? Adding the backup for the world files, already having Systemd bringing back a crashing server, makes the setup rather resilient. Sure, there's infinite more things that can go wrong, but with swiftly decreasing likelihood. > The truth is that in most real-world scenarios getting alerts, metrics is much more important than building a fully resilient system (Expensive, maybe overengieering for early stage etc.). This, very much this. > However, the author is not really procrastinating—he gets paid for this. As the first sentence in the blog post says "One of the secret pleasures of life is to be paid for things you would do for free.", which I can very much understand as I often work or play with things I could use at work in my free time. Yes :-)
        strogonoff 1y ago
        > The truth is that in most real-world scenarios getting alerts, metrics is much more important than building a fully resilient system (Expensive, maybe overengieering for early stage etc.). Funny, because I have the opposite opinion. Build for failure first; if it’s critical/production then also monitor, but if an earthquake takes down an EC2 zone and you have no ability to spin it up exactly the way it was then the avalanche of alerts and metrics falling off a cliff[0] isn’t exactly going to help you (or your mental well-being). Generally speaking, if you build for failure first, then monitoring becomes much more useful and actionable; and simultaneously it becomes much less important for a hobby project. [0] That assuming you gather them from a different zone that wasn’t affected by the same downtime in the first place; speaking of, how are you monitoring your monitors? and so on.
  - mmanciop 1y ago
    I swear I had a lot of fun setting doing the setup. I am also a massive observability nerd, so YMMV :-)
    - strogonoff 1y ago
      I believe you! Just due to your affiliation I wanted to highlight to any newbie SREs in the audience that perhaps there is a better way. I still think my approach is better, but we can do things differently.
      - mmanciop 1y ago
        Indeed if there were “official” container images out there, I might have instead run the server on Google Cloud Run or AWS AppRunner, without having to take care of the Linux underneath. Or an Amazon ECS task. I don’t have a Kubernetes cluster, but I will at some point make a version of this blog to run it on K8s :-)

dengolius 1y ago

Do you mean something like launching k3s on smartphones https://blog.denv.it/posts/pmos-k3s-cluster/ https://blog.denv.it/posts/pmos-k3s-cluster/?