> I guess that's the advantage of the German apprenticeship system where tradespeople get proper training and not take a couple month course at a tafe and then

> I guess that's the advantage of the German apprenticeship system where tradespeople get proper training and not take a couple month course at a tafe and then start their own business. Plumbers and electricians in Australia both do four year apprenticeships, with some time at TAFE and the rest training on the job. The quality problems you see are generally less about training, and more the result of financially-motivated corner cutting.