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I seem to remember Jeep saying manual window winders were actually more expensive once you factor in the costs of having them as an option given how cheap elect

I seem to remember Jeep saying manual window winders were actually more expensive once you factor in the costs of having them as an option given how cheap electric ones are when they dropped them for the new Wrangler. Might still be cheaper if you only manufacture with them and don’t offer electric but the price difference can’t be that high.

cameronh90 1y ago
Is it about price or reliability? I never had a manual window winder fail to work, but electric window buttons breaking or the motor getting stuck (e.g. in icy conditions) has happened at some point in every car I've owned. The convenience factor hugely outweighs the rare failures for me, but I could see why someone buying a Wrangler for its intended purpose might actually prefer the manual option.
- pixl97 1y ago
  >I never had a manual window winder fail How old are you? Back in the 70s-80s these manual ones would break all the damned time. Of course US cars from that age we're commonly crap.
  - cameronh90 1y ago
    Old enough to have owned multiple cars from the 80s, but not from new! However I do live in the UK so they were European/UK cars - Vauxhall, Volvo, Citroen, Renault.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  Manual windows can and do fail, but in my experience not as often as electric ones. There’s just less to go wrong.
- nl 1y ago
  I've had manual winders fail
  - ekaryotic 1y ago
    same, the cable style are prone to seize. the older manual winders that use a segment of a sheet metal gear and levers were bulletproof though.
- Gareth321 1y ago
  > I never had a manual window winder fail to work I have. It jammed. When I tried to release it the glass fell out (into the door).
- StopDisinfo910 1y ago
  In my experience, they both fail but differently. Electric winders tend to experience motor failure leaving you with a stuck window. They don't stress the mechanism that much. Manual winders, you would generally experience mechanical failure. If you were lucky, you broke the handle. If you were unlucky, you broke the gears and had the pleasure of watching your window fall into the door.

cameronh90 1y ago

Is it about price or reliability? I never had a manual window winder fail to work, but electric window buttons breaking or the motor getting stuck (e.g. in icy conditions) has happened at some point in every car I've owned. The convenience factor hugely outweighs the rare failures for me, but I could see why someone buying a Wrangler for its intended purpose might actually prefer the manual option.

pixl97 1y ago
>I never had a manual window winder fail How old are you? Back in the 70s-80s these manual ones would break all the damned time. Of course US cars from that age we're commonly crap.
- cameronh90 1y ago
  Old enough to have owned multiple cars from the 80s, but not from new! However I do live in the UK so they were European/UK cars - Vauxhall, Volvo, Citroen, Renault.
SoftTalker 1y ago
Manual windows can and do fail, but in my experience not as often as electric ones. There’s just less to go wrong.
nl 1y ago
I've had manual winders fail
- ekaryotic 1y ago
  same, the cable style are prone to seize. the older manual winders that use a segment of a sheet metal gear and levers were bulletproof though.
Gareth321 1y ago
> I never had a manual window winder fail to work I have. It jammed. When I tried to release it the glass fell out (into the door).
StopDisinfo910 1y ago
In my experience, they both fail but differently. Electric winders tend to experience motor failure leaving you with a stuck window. They don't stress the mechanism that much. Manual winders, you would generally experience mechanical failure. If you were lucky, you broke the handle. If you were unlucky, you broke the gears and had the pleasure of watching your window fall into the door.