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I would really rather that cars didn't run software, or at the least the minimal software to get the job done where there is no other option. My current car is

I would really rather that cars didn't run software, or at the least the minimal software to get the job done where there is no other option. My current car is a Kia; I love it. But the door locks are software controlled (you can tell from the lag). The issue is I like to lock my doors as soon as I'm in the car. The software can't cope with this; about 500ms later it unlocks the doors again and won't let me lock until the software has realized that I can now lock the doors again. So there is a 3-4 second gap in which I want to lock the doors but I can't. This is appalling for safety; I grew up in a dodgy area and all my then cars kept me safe by allowing me to lock as soon as I entered. Now I have to more cautious than ever. The other issue is that it has collision detection and automatic braking; it works great 99% of the time. But one time it got confused with over head sun and road markings and decided to emergency stop on a school road. I was lucky there was no car behind me.

minusLik 1y ago
The cars I know lock their doors automatically when they go at a certain speed (e. g. mine does at 20 km/h). Doesn't yours?
- 1a527dd5 1y ago
  It does. But that isn't what I want it to do. I want to manually lock the doors as soon as I close my driver side door.
  - minusLik 1y ago
    Does it work better when you use the key fob from inside the car? I would expect that because they surely tested a "unlocked accidentally and locked again right away" kind of scenario.
    - hedora 1y ago
      At least on ours, it tries to maintain the invariant that all doors lock at once (for aesthetics?), so you cannot lock anything if any door is open. It also likes to auto-unlock, but not auto-lock when you’re outside the car. If two people lock it at the same time, it locks, then unlocks. The smart lock stuff on it is even worse. I didn’t think it was possible to screw up car door locks so badly, even knowing Tesla’s implementation burns people to death sometimes.
aucisson_masque 1y ago
> it works great 99% of the time You summed it up. I want the minimum required electronic in my cars and above all no software managing critical features like abs breaking that could be updated on the air, like the Tesla. Humans aren't perfect by any means, software might be better than us by a few percent at avoiding crash but damn, when I crash i want it to be my own fault. If tomorrow I run over a kid because my abs had a bug, go prove that in court. And yes it actually happened in France with the speed control, some manufacturer managed to fuck that up and people who had crashed (without killing themselves) have a hard time to dismiss the so called expert calling them basically retards incapable of pressing the break pedal, that they press the clutch pedal instead of the break one... There are reports of people being stuck in their car for up to an hour, while on call with the police, trying everything, and you're telling me that they are not capable of pressing the break pedal during that entire hour ?
red_admiral 1y ago
> But one time it got confused with over head sun Didn't "confused with over head sun" once almost start a nuclear war? I used to have a problem where a road made a bend right, but if you continued straight on (crossing the lane coming the other way) there was usually someone's car parked on the space in front of their house, beyond the road. I was lucky my car only had the "beep at you loudly and flash the display red" collision detection rather than the "slam on the brakes" one because that road triggered a false positive something like half the time.

minusLik 1y ago

The cars I know lock their doors automatically when they go at a certain speed (e. g. mine does at 20 km/h). Doesn't yours?

1a527dd5 1y ago
It does. But that isn't what I want it to do. I want to manually lock the doors as soon as I close my driver side door.
- minusLik 1y ago
  Does it work better when you use the key fob from inside the car? I would expect that because they surely tested a "unlocked accidentally and locked again right away" kind of scenario.
  - hedora 1y ago
    At least on ours, it tries to maintain the invariant that all doors lock at once (for aesthetics?), so you cannot lock anything if any door is open. It also likes to auto-unlock, but not auto-lock when you’re outside the car. If two people lock it at the same time, it locks, then unlocks. The smart lock stuff on it is even worse. I didn’t think it was possible to screw up car door locks so badly, even knowing Tesla’s implementation burns people to death sometimes.

aucisson_masque 1y ago

> it works great 99% of the time You summed it up. I want the minimum required electronic in my cars and above all no software managing critical features like abs breaking that could be updated on the air, like the Tesla. Humans aren't perfect by any means, software might be better than us by a few percent at avoiding crash but damn, when I crash i want it to be my own fault. If tomorrow I run over a kid because my abs had a bug, go prove that in court. And yes it actually happened in France with the speed control, some manufacturer managed to fuck that up and people who had crashed (without killing themselves) have a hard time to dismiss the so called expert calling them basically retards incapable of pressing the break pedal, that they press the clutch pedal instead of the break one... There are reports of people being stuck in their car for up to an hour, while on call with the police, trying everything, and you're telling me that they are not capable of pressing the break pedal during that entire hour ?

red_admiral 1y ago

> But one time it got confused with over head sun Didn't "confused with over head sun" once almost start a nuclear war? I used to have a problem where a road made a bend right, but if you continued straight on (crossing the lane coming the other way) there was usually someone's car parked on the space in front of their house, beyond the road. I was lucky my car only had the "beep at you loudly and flash the display red" collision detection rather than the "slam on the brakes" one because that road triggered a false positive something like half the time.