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The window winders I can do without. Not sure that even saves a noticeable amount of money at this point with electric windows such as commodity.

Tsiklon 1y ago
All depends on how they market it. Wind down windows to me today is an aesthetic statement - “we are selling a cheap, no frills vehicle - look see! Even wind down windows” Such positioning could be what the intended customer base react well to.
- PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago
  Add handles like winders, but make them only have 5 degrees of travel up and down, so that they operate like the regular buttons :)
- XorNot 1y ago
  Which turns it into more uselessness for marketing rather then practicality. For example, mechanical window winders would need a whole extra disengagement or locking mechanism for child proofing.
  - bjelkeman-again 1y ago
    But that car isn’t intended for customers transporting kids. Two seats.
    - hedora 1y ago
      My biggest concern is lack of a stereo. Did they include speaker cutouts and wires, or are you looking at a $1000 labor bill, minimum? I’d much rather they included a $200 system, since ~ 100% of their customers will want to be able to have speakers in the doors and a mic in the dash (at the very least).
      - germinalphrase 1y ago
        The presented solution from Slate is a mount for a Bluetooth speaker.
  - coredog64 1y ago
    Manual windows already had child proofing: Rear windows only go down part way so that kids can’t easily climb out.
StopDisinfo910 1y ago
I seem to remember Jeep saying manual window winders were actually more expensive once you factor in the costs of having them as an option given how cheap electric ones are when they dropped them for the new Wrangler. Might still be cheaper if you only manufacture with them and don’t offer electric but the price difference can’t be that high.
- cameronh90 1y ago
  Is it about price or reliability? I never had a manual window winder fail to work, but electric window buttons breaking or the motor getting stuck (e.g. in icy conditions) has happened at some point in every car I've owned. The convenience factor hugely outweighs the rare failures for me, but I could see why someone buying a Wrangler for its intended purpose might actually prefer the manual option.
  - pixl97 1y ago
    >I never had a manual window winder fail How old are you? Back in the 70s-80s these manual ones would break all the damned time. Of course US cars from that age we're commonly crap.
    - cameronh90 1y ago
      Old enough to have owned multiple cars from the 80s, but not from new! However I do live in the UK so they were European/UK cars - Vauxhall, Volvo, Citroen, Renault.
  - SoftTalker 1y ago
    Manual windows can and do fail, but in my experience not as often as electric ones. There’s just less to go wrong.
  - nl 1y ago
    I've had manual winders fail
    - 1y ago

Tsiklon 1y ago

All depends on how they market it. Wind down windows to me today is an aesthetic statement - “we are selling a cheap, no frills vehicle - look see! Even wind down windows” Such positioning could be what the intended customer base react well to.

PaulDavisThe1st 1y ago
Add handles like winders, but make them only have 5 degrees of travel up and down, so that they operate like the regular buttons :)
XorNot 1y ago
Which turns it into more uselessness for marketing rather then practicality. For example, mechanical window winders would need a whole extra disengagement or locking mechanism for child proofing.
- bjelkeman-again 1y ago
  But that car isn’t intended for customers transporting kids. Two seats.
  - hedora 1y ago
    My biggest concern is lack of a stereo. Did they include speaker cutouts and wires, or are you looking at a $1000 labor bill, minimum? I’d much rather they included a $200 system, since ~ 100% of their customers will want to be able to have speakers in the doors and a mic in the dash (at the very least).
    - germinalphrase 1y ago
      The presented solution from Slate is a mount for a Bluetooth speaker.
- coredog64 1y ago
  Manual windows already had child proofing: Rear windows only go down part way so that kids can’t easily climb out.

StopDisinfo910 1y ago

I seem to remember Jeep saying manual window winders were actually more expensive once you factor in the costs of having them as an option given how cheap electric ones are when they dropped them for the new Wrangler. Might still be cheaper if you only manufacture with them and don’t offer electric but the price difference can’t be that high.

cameronh90 1y ago
Is it about price or reliability? I never had a manual window winder fail to work, but electric window buttons breaking or the motor getting stuck (e.g. in icy conditions) has happened at some point in every car I've owned. The convenience factor hugely outweighs the rare failures for me, but I could see why someone buying a Wrangler for its intended purpose might actually prefer the manual option.
- pixl97 1y ago
  >I never had a manual window winder fail How old are you? Back in the 70s-80s these manual ones would break all the damned time. Of course US cars from that age we're commonly crap.
  - cameronh90 1y ago
    Old enough to have owned multiple cars from the 80s, but not from new! However I do live in the UK so they were European/UK cars - Vauxhall, Volvo, Citroen, Renault.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  Manual windows can and do fail, but in my experience not as often as electric ones. There’s just less to go wrong.
- nl 1y ago
  I've had manual winders fail
  - 1y ago