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It's not a tracker. It activates during an accident, or via manual action. Hopefully those same people know what ANPR is and how does it affect them.

mousethatroared 1y ago
Of course it is. We're just told differently until a leaker proves differently. Twenty years too late to do anything about it
- rad_gruchalski 1y ago
  There are so many things in a modern car that track you. eCall is the smallest problem.
  - koolba 1y ago
    Indeed there are: https://medium.com/@doctoreww/day-2-your-car-is-trackable-by-law-1d5f74388850 https://medium.com/@doctoreww/day-2-your-car-is-trackable-by... And “modern” is going back over a decade. So most cars on the road.
  - mousethatroared 1y ago
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- XorNot 1y ago
  And naturally of course you don't carry a cellphone with you while you drive...you know, that device with accelerometers, GPS and an LTE chip that you leave powered on all the time on your person?
  - mousethatroared 1y ago
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  - GenshoTikamura 1y ago
    Of course I am free to carry it or not
    - rad_gruchalski 1y ago
      You are also free not to use a mode of transportation. You can, for example, buy an old car, register it on a historical number plate, and you’re good. There is no retrofit requirement. If you want a new car, suck it up.
      - GenshoTikamura 1y ago
        I'm always amused at people who deem future and freedom of choice incompatible and effectively stating that the end game of all progress is absolute slavery and obedience. Other than having some vested interest in denying people's right to choose between positive and negative aspects of progress, or having a Stockholm syndrome towards those who have such interest, I got no plausible explanations to this psychological phenomenon
        rad_gruchalski 1y ago
        Omg what am I going to do. Yes yes. You know I’m selling trackers online and just lobbying on hacker news. You seem to be wasting your precious “armchair psychologist skills” here on hn.
  - kortilla 1y ago
    I don’t. What’s your point
  - willywanker 1y ago
    Ah yes, brilliant reasoning. "You carry one device that can be tracked as long as you're carrying it so what's the problem with having tracking baked into your vehicle?"
timewizard 1y ago
I can actually remove my number plate. One tool, five minutes, car still drives. And of course it's a tracker. It reports my location to a third party. There is no other definition for it. That it purportedly only does this during an "emergency" is not something I can verify nor trust.
- GenshoTikamura 1y ago
  I wonder what is your estimated ratio of number of active CCTV plate readers to that of cell towers out of a city and back in the country?
- rad_gruchalski 1y ago
  I’m certain you aren’t that important for anyone to care. Yes: it reports your location to a third party. When you have an accident. So you can get help. And of course it can be verified. At the end of the day it’s a sim card in a passive mode. Maybe you don’t know how to verify it. There are millions of them driving around. I’m sure someone more qualified than you would have already reported if they were tracking in real-time. The system is nearly a decade old.
  - timewizard 1y ago
    > I’m certain you aren’t that important for anyone to care. Storage is cheap. We know the NSA hoovers up everything it can and puts in a database. This is facile reasoning. > So you can get help. How many accidents resulted in fatalities because 911 couldn't find the victim? What's the percentage on that you think? Is there _no other way_ to get help other than this system? > I’m sure someone more qualified than you would have already reported if You're just full of confidence. Pray tell where it comes from. What makes you believe this is true?
    - rad_gruchalski 1y ago
      > You're just full of confidence. Pray tell where it comes from. What makes you believe this is true? I trust in people who look for this stuff as a daily job, or because „they’re here to get you”. Because you know a sim card in the open is really easy to verify. And there are thousands of them driving around but also easily approachable sitting targets in every possible setting. But you double down. I find this discussion pointless. > How many accidents resulted in fatalities because 911 couldn't find the victim? You’re missing the point of the eCall system. Think out of the box. What if there is no witness? What if everyone in the car cannot get help Everyone who could reach out for help, received it. Can you tell the same about those who weren’t able to contact first responders in time? Maybe they’re still missing! It’s called survivorship bias. Sounds like you are trying hard to be obnoxious.
rustcleaner 1y ago
If it always has a cell tower connection, it is a tracker and... do you even operate?
- rad_gruchalski 1y ago
  Well… do you? eCall sim is passive, activated only in an emergency or explicitly as a response to the action of the occupants of the vehicle: https://www.bosch-presse.de/pressportal/de/en/bosch-explains-five-things-that-everyone-should-know-about-ecall-177984.html https://www.bosch-presse.de/pressportal/de/en/bosch-explains...

mousethatroared 1y ago

Of course it is. We're just told differently until a leaker proves differently. Twenty years too late to do anything about it

rad_gruchalski 1y ago
There are so many things in a modern car that track you. eCall is the smallest problem.
- koolba 1y ago
  Indeed there are: https://medium.com/@doctoreww/day-2-your-car-is-trackable-by-law-1d5f74388850 https://medium.com/@doctoreww/day-2-your-car-is-trackable-by... And “modern” is going back over a decade. So most cars on the road.
- mousethatroared 1y ago
  [flagged]
XorNot 1y ago
And naturally of course you don't carry a cellphone with you while you drive...you know, that device with accelerometers, GPS and an LTE chip that you leave powered on all the time on your person?
- mousethatroared 1y ago
  [flagged]
- GenshoTikamura 1y ago
  Of course I am free to carry it or not
  - rad_gruchalski 1y ago
    You are also free not to use a mode of transportation. You can, for example, buy an old car, register it on a historical number plate, and you’re good. There is no retrofit requirement. If you want a new car, suck it up.
    - GenshoTikamura 1y ago
      I'm always amused at people who deem future and freedom of choice incompatible and effectively stating that the end game of all progress is absolute slavery and obedience. Other than having some vested interest in denying people's right to choose between positive and negative aspects of progress, or having a Stockholm syndrome towards those who have such interest, I got no plausible explanations to this psychological phenomenon
      - rad_gruchalski 1y ago
        Omg what am I going to do. Yes yes. You know I’m selling trackers online and just lobbying on hacker news. You seem to be wasting your precious “armchair psychologist skills” here on hn.
- kortilla 1y ago
  I don’t. What’s your point
- willywanker 1y ago
  Ah yes, brilliant reasoning. "You carry one device that can be tracked as long as you're carrying it so what's the problem with having tracking baked into your vehicle?"

timewizard 1y ago

I can actually remove my number plate. One tool, five minutes, car still drives. And of course it's a tracker. It reports my location to a third party. There is no other definition for it. That it purportedly only does this during an "emergency" is not something I can verify nor trust.

GenshoTikamura 1y ago
I wonder what is your estimated ratio of number of active CCTV plate readers to that of cell towers out of a city and back in the country?
rad_gruchalski 1y ago
I’m certain you aren’t that important for anyone to care. Yes: it reports your location to a third party. When you have an accident. So you can get help. And of course it can be verified. At the end of the day it’s a sim card in a passive mode. Maybe you don’t know how to verify it. There are millions of them driving around. I’m sure someone more qualified than you would have already reported if they were tracking in real-time. The system is nearly a decade old.
- timewizard 1y ago
  > I’m certain you aren’t that important for anyone to care. Storage is cheap. We know the NSA hoovers up everything it can and puts in a database. This is facile reasoning. > So you can get help. How many accidents resulted in fatalities because 911 couldn't find the victim? What's the percentage on that you think? Is there _no other way_ to get help other than this system? > I’m sure someone more qualified than you would have already reported if You're just full of confidence. Pray tell where it comes from. What makes you believe this is true?
  - rad_gruchalski 1y ago
    > You're just full of confidence. Pray tell where it comes from. What makes you believe this is true? I trust in people who look for this stuff as a daily job, or because „they’re here to get you”. Because you know a sim card in the open is really easy to verify. And there are thousands of them driving around but also easily approachable sitting targets in every possible setting. But you double down. I find this discussion pointless. > How many accidents resulted in fatalities because 911 couldn't find the victim? You’re missing the point of the eCall system. Think out of the box. What if there is no witness? What if everyone in the car cannot get help Everyone who could reach out for help, received it. Can you tell the same about those who weren’t able to contact first responders in time? Maybe they’re still missing! It’s called survivorship bias. Sounds like you are trying hard to be obnoxious.

rustcleaner 1y ago

If it always has a cell tower connection, it is a tracker and... do you even operate?

rad_gruchalski 1y ago
Well… do you? eCall sim is passive, activated only in an emergency or explicitly as a response to the action of the occupants of the vehicle: https://www.bosch-presse.de/pressportal/de/en/bosch-explains-five-things-that-everyone-should-know-about-ecall-177984.html https://www.bosch-presse.de/pressportal/de/en/bosch-explains...