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I don't think we can live the way we want to live without extreme weather, disease, and/or famine killing a good share of us. The modern human way of life is si

I don't think we can live the way we want to live without extreme weather, disease, and/or famine killing a good share of us. The modern human way of life is simply unsustainable. The problem is that no one wants to willingly sacrifice their own wants or needs for the greater good, which makes sense. Why should I suffer for 8 billion people I don't know? The scale is just too large to comprehend as a basic human. We need to focus on fixing our local area and living as much within what it can provide as we can. It's easier to understand. It's easier to see the impacts. But it doesn't solve the problem of human caused climate change. Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but I don't see a way out of this that ends with anything but the complete and utter collapse of civilization as we know it before 2100. I believe that we will no longer possess the technology to access this comment well before that time, and we'll see a return to feudal/tribal lifestyles with a much diminished population. I just hope it happens after my bloodline has already died out, and none of my kids or grandkids will have to experience the shit show. But I have little faith of that. I think the collapse will come within my kids' lifetime, and that's very depressing.

pstuart 1y ago
> The modern human way of life is simply unsustainable. It doesn't have to be that way, it's just that our owners chose it so they can live in opulence 'til the end.
- Loughla 1y ago
  As much as I do genuinely blame the wealthy elite for most things. . . My way of life is unsustainable. Yours is too if you live in a Western country, and most Eastern countries at this point as well.
  - pstuart 1y ago
    I get what you're saying, but I believe it's technically a solvable problem -- the issue is how things are structured economically/politically. If we had cheap and abundant carbon-free energy that would address the key driver of climate change. If only there were cheap and abundant carbon-free sources of energy...
lazyasciiart 1y ago
> We need to focus on fixing our local area And many people take that as building walls and aggressively rounding up anyone who tries to sleep in a park.
kiba 1y ago
We are already suffering today. The housing crisis is connected to our car oriented lifestyle and unsafe street. It's not about sacrificing for the future, it's about seeing a better way to live our life.
sweeter 1y ago
"suffer" in this context is using some form of renewable energy and curtailing the industries that pump the 95% of all CO2 into the air. The absolute horror. You say this, but if you think that is suffering, wait until clean water is a limited resource. You aren't going to be running away to Mars. We can't even fix the very simple issues on Earth.
- Loughla 1y ago
  Suffer, in this context, is living a life that is completely different than the very convenient one we're used to. Not just renewable based. The technology just isn't there, and I don't think it will be there by the time we need it. Clean water is already a limited, and fought over resource. The water wars in the US will start in either Colorado or Texas within 50 years. I'm calling it now. There will be actual violence.
  - sweeter 1y ago
    What tech isn't there? It's been there for decades at this point. Unless you mean delusional ideas like pumping even more waste into the air in hopes that we can magically pull it out. Yes, that's always been a lie, and will always be untenable. The reality is that the US has no intention of moving away from oil and thats purely due to financial incentive and existing power structures being intertwined with oil barons
    - Loughla 1y ago
      Storage and grid resiliency is what I'm talking about. Renewables just aren't there yet. I genuinely wish they were and dream about an alternate timeline where electric cars weren't killed in the crib.
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pstuart 1y ago

> The modern human way of life is simply unsustainable. It doesn't have to be that way, it's just that our owners chose it so they can live in opulence 'til the end.

Loughla 1y ago
As much as I do genuinely blame the wealthy elite for most things. . . My way of life is unsustainable. Yours is too if you live in a Western country, and most Eastern countries at this point as well.
- pstuart 1y ago
  I get what you're saying, but I believe it's technically a solvable problem -- the issue is how things are structured economically/politically. If we had cheap and abundant carbon-free energy that would address the key driver of climate change. If only there were cheap and abundant carbon-free sources of energy...

lazyasciiart 1y ago

> We need to focus on fixing our local area And many people take that as building walls and aggressively rounding up anyone who tries to sleep in a park.

kiba 1y ago

We are already suffering today. The housing crisis is connected to our car oriented lifestyle and unsafe street. It's not about sacrificing for the future, it's about seeing a better way to live our life.

sweeter 1y ago

"suffer" in this context is using some form of renewable energy and curtailing the industries that pump the 95% of all CO2 into the air. The absolute horror. You say this, but if you think that is suffering, wait until clean water is a limited resource. You aren't going to be running away to Mars. We can't even fix the very simple issues on Earth.

Loughla 1y ago
Suffer, in this context, is living a life that is completely different than the very convenient one we're used to. Not just renewable based. The technology just isn't there, and I don't think it will be there by the time we need it. Clean water is already a limited, and fought over resource. The water wars in the US will start in either Colorado or Texas within 50 years. I'm calling it now. There will be actual violence.
- sweeter 1y ago
  What tech isn't there? It's been there for decades at this point. Unless you mean delusional ideas like pumping even more waste into the air in hopes that we can magically pull it out. Yes, that's always been a lie, and will always be untenable. The reality is that the US has no intention of moving away from oil and thats purely due to financial incentive and existing power structures being intertwined with oil barons
  - Loughla 1y ago
    Storage and grid resiliency is what I'm talking about. Renewables just aren't there yet. I genuinely wish they were and dream about an alternate timeline where electric cars weren't killed in the crib.

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