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I read that using pirated sites is ok if you do it for learning. Why do courts block them if they have legal uses?

gruez 1y ago
>I read that using pirated sites is ok if you do it for learning 1. I don't think anyone has been prosecuted for accessing/using pirated materials. The people who have been prosecuted for torrenting were liable because torrent clients also upload, thereby making them go beyond merely accessing/using. 2. Claiming that those sites (ie. live soccer streams) is "learning" is a stretch. Moreover no such "learning" exemption exists, at least in the US. The closest you have is fair use, which has a 4 part test. "Learning" is one of the tests, but isn't a sole determinant. Photocopying textbooks wholesale is obviously illegal, even if it's for "learning".
- subscribed 1y ago
  Nb: open source torrent clients can be patched so they will never ever upload even a single bit of data. I know it flies in the face of how the bittorrent protocol should operate, but there's a technical possibility. Another is using so called "seedbox" in the safe country, or torrenting only via vpn.
- yard2010 1y ago
  Aaron Swartz is gone for less :'(
- AnthonyMouse 1y ago
  > The people who have been prosecuted for torrenting were liable because torrent clients also upload, thereby making them go beyond merely accessing/using. It's not clear why this would be a relevant distinction. If the use in question is fair use then copying is permitted. Why wouldn't this be the case for the person uploading the data as well as the person downloading it? Suppose you have a physical copy of a book and your friend wants a copy of a page for a use which is indisputably fair use, so you make a copy for them and give it to them for that purpose. How is that any different? > Claiming that those sites (ie. live soccer streams) is "learning" is a stretch. Wouldn't that depend on what the user is actually doing with it? If you're just watching the game with your friends, presumably not. If you're doing scientific research on sporting events and you need to run the video of every sporting event in the last 10 years through a computer for your study, maybe it is.
  - madeofpalk 1y ago
    What fair use argument can be made for just having GameOfThrones.mp4 on my web server for people to download?
    - pixxel 1y ago
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    - sapphicsnail 1y ago
      These are arguments ai companies like meta have made to justify pirating material to train their models.
    - AnthonyMouse 1y ago
      > What fair use argument can be made for just having GameOfThrones.mp4 on my web server for people to download? The server operator isn't the one using it. Is it possible for anyone to make any fair use of GameOfThrones.mp4? Presumably yes, under some set of circumstances. And then the server operator has put it there for the people who want to use it in that way. Some people might then use it in some other way, but some people might borrow a book from the library and then use it to author an infringing derivative work. Why should that be the responsibility of the library rather than the party using it in an infringing way?
      - thunderfork 1y ago
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- rolph 1y ago
  default settings on most BT clients allow uploads, however that can be changed. the biggest reason for infringment notice nowadays, seems to be IP monitoring of pirate sites, trackers and swarm/DHT for "obvious" behaviour. of course, IP is recycled across many users, and connecting to these BT resources is not proof of piracy, the very practice of monitoring, is undeniable proof,that connectivity, != undeniable proof of piracy, so you have to offer fake BT pieces, then request download to confirm data is being moved, and argue this is indication of intent. meanwhile you have to argue that buffer content of a video player, is not downloaded, and there is no right to access those memory ranges on your own system.
- codedokode 1y ago
  > Claiming that those sites (ie. live soccer streams) is "learning" is a stretch. Maybe I want to be better at soccer and learn by observation.
kmeisthax 1y ago
It's OK if you do it for machine learning. Human learners are still expected to pay.
- rolph 1y ago
  develop a local machine learning client for desktop users, crowdsource AI training, residuum on users machine is now a product of AI training.

>I read that using pirated sites is ok if you do it for learning 1. I don't think anyone has been prosecuted for accessing/using pirated materials. The people who have been prosecuted for torrenting were liable because torrent clients also upload, thereby making them go beyond merely accessing/using. 2. Claiming that those sites (ie. live soccer streams) is "learning" is a stretch. Moreover no such "learning" exemption exists, at least in the US. The closest you have is fair use, which has a 4 part test. "Learning" is one of the tests, but isn't a sole determinant. Photocopying textbooks wholesale is obviously illegal, even if it's for "learning".

subscribed 1y ago
Nb: open source torrent clients can be patched so they will never ever upload even a single bit of data. I know it flies in the face of how the bittorrent protocol should operate, but there's a technical possibility. Another is using so called "seedbox" in the safe country, or torrenting only via vpn.
yard2010 1y ago
Aaron Swartz is gone for less :'(
AnthonyMouse 1y ago
> The people who have been prosecuted for torrenting were liable because torrent clients also upload, thereby making them go beyond merely accessing/using. It's not clear why this would be a relevant distinction. If the use in question is fair use then copying is permitted. Why wouldn't this be the case for the person uploading the data as well as the person downloading it? Suppose you have a physical copy of a book and your friend wants a copy of a page for a use which is indisputably fair use, so you make a copy for them and give it to them for that purpose. How is that any different? > Claiming that those sites (ie. live soccer streams) is "learning" is a stretch. Wouldn't that depend on what the user is actually doing with it? If you're just watching the game with your friends, presumably not. If you're doing scientific research on sporting events and you need to run the video of every sporting event in the last 10 years through a computer for your study, maybe it is.
- madeofpalk 1y ago
  What fair use argument can be made for just having GameOfThrones.mp4 on my web server for people to download?
  - pixxel 1y ago
    [dead]
  - sapphicsnail 1y ago
    These are arguments ai companies like meta have made to justify pirating material to train their models.
  - AnthonyMouse 1y ago
    > What fair use argument can be made for just having GameOfThrones.mp4 on my web server for people to download? The server operator isn't the one using it. Is it possible for anyone to make any fair use of GameOfThrones.mp4? Presumably yes, under some set of circumstances. And then the server operator has put it there for the people who want to use it in that way. Some people might then use it in some other way, but some people might borrow a book from the library and then use it to author an infringing derivative work. Why should that be the responsibility of the library rather than the party using it in an infringing way?
    - thunderfork 1y ago
      [dead]
rolph 1y ago
default settings on most BT clients allow uploads, however that can be changed. the biggest reason for infringment notice nowadays, seems to be IP monitoring of pirate sites, trackers and swarm/DHT for "obvious" behaviour. of course, IP is recycled across many users, and connecting to these BT resources is not proof of piracy, the very practice of monitoring, is undeniable proof,that connectivity, != undeniable proof of piracy, so you have to offer fake BT pieces, then request download to confirm data is being moved, and argue this is indication of intent. meanwhile you have to argue that buffer content of a video player, is not downloaded, and there is no right to access those memory ranges on your own system.
codedokode 1y ago
> Claiming that those sites (ie. live soccer streams) is "learning" is a stretch. Maybe I want to be better at soccer and learn by observation.

kmeisthax 1y ago

It's OK if you do it for machine learning. Human learners are still expected to pay.

rolph 1y ago
develop a local machine learning client for desktop users, crowdsource AI training, residuum on users machine is now a product of AI training.