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Gonzalo Guerrero
- pelagicAustral 1y agoTalk about turning your luck around... Somehow not mentioned in the Wiki page, but Guerrero actually means Warrior in Spanish. So I get the last name comes from him (?), unverifiable of course. EDIT: Several people pointed out that the surname “Guerrero” has existed in Spain long before the 1500s, so my guess about it originating with Gonzalo Guerrero was off. Thanks for the corrections—leaving the rest of my comment for context.
- Azkron 1y ago"Guerrero" is a common last name in Spain.
- taveras 1y agoHow did you come to that conclusion? The last name Guerrero predates the 1500s by centuries.
- LtdJorge 1y agoWhy would the last name come from him and not the other way?
- yard2010 1y agoThere's that lovely phenomenon, I can't recall the name, of people that live to their name. Like a cook who's named Jon Cook, a gardener who's named Phil Gardener, you get it. So this.
- enricozb 1y agonominative determinism
- mistercheph 1y agoIt's name itself serving as a kind of fate for what it refers to
- pelagicAustral 1y agoIs that "bootstrapping"?
- AStonesThrow 1y agoWell, it may surprise you to know that surnames such as "Cook" and "Butler" are occupational and actually derive from men, centuries ago, who were actually cooks or butlers and eventually coined a newfound surname from that occupation (which may often be passed down father-to-son.) So if a modern fellow is named "Jon Cook" it may indeed be a regression hearkening back to one or more of his ancestors and how they were named. I am more accustomed to "nominative determinism" being associated with a person's given name, and how they grow up to take on a given role.
- celticninja 1y agoPerhaps this example: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c078l0glxg8o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c078l0glxg8o
- jxjnskkzxxhx 1y agoOr a librarian named Mr Bookman.
- matheist 1y ago"Guerrero" comes from Spanish "guerra", which is cognate to English "war". They both derive from a common proto-Germanic root.
- elnatro 1y agoWhile this “going native” is interesting, sadly there are not much accounts of his whereabouts. This reminds me about the concept created by the Spanish writer Miguel de Unamuno: “intrahistoria”, i.e. the unofficial history formed the common people.
- pachico 1y agoUnofficial history, many times, is simply glorified memory, which is very biased and dangerous. This fueled quite a lot the hangover of the nationalisms born during the XIX century.
- mistercheph 1y agoAnd official history is unglorified, unsmudged fact and circumstance?
- pachico 1y agoNot necessarily, but it's not not that hard to find anymore to the curious eye
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- LtdJorge 1y agoYou made a throwaway for this?
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- eschulz 1y agoHe must have been a very intelligent and determined man. Not only did he assimilate into a completely foreign culture and marry into their aristocracy, but he did so after starting as a slave of said culture.
- neuralkoi 1y agoNot only that, he resisted Hernán Cortés' efforts to recruit him for the conquest of Mexico using clever guile and cunning. Twice he helped in thwarting the Spanish entradas into the part of Yucatán where he lived. By then, he had fully assimilated to Mayan culture. From the account of Bernal Díaz, he seemed to know what was coming from the clash between the Spanish and the natives.
- mrfinn 1y agoLoyalty is one of the strongest qualities of Spaniards. Or curses. Depends on the occasion I guess. But the saying "ser más papista que el papa" (to be more pro-pope than the pope himself) is not said by chance in Spain.
- throwanem 1y ago"More Catholic than the pope," I believe that may also mean, referring not to loyalty but to intolerably unctuous and hypocritical sanctimony. We do have that expression in this language, and "papist" is one of the old anti-Catholic (anti-Irish, anti-Italian, anti-Latin) slurs that actually survives, however deracinated, to the present. One example of the sort of such slurs that did not survive is 'mackerel-snapper,' deriving from the pre-Vatican II meat fast observed on Fridays, which is also what first put a fish sandwich on McDonald's menu.
- encipriano 1y agoIdk. Anarchy was a very big movement in Spain unlike in the rest of Europe. But its also true that there are some cultural values related to family that are also common in other mediterranean cultures that arent there in northern countries. What I find is being such a social culture, the population itself feels more homogenous in its ideas
- pilooch 1y agoAn inspiration to Avatar maybe!
- 0_____0 1y agoI think that distinction belongs to The Word for World is Forest by Ursula K. Le Guin. It's a short read, a bit polemic and not as strong as some of her other work IMO, but it clearly had some impact on the writers of Avatar.
- lockedinspace 1y agoFun fact, Gonzalo means warrior
- skylurk 1y ago"battle-elf" :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_(name) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_(name) "Gonzalo Guerrero" is the "Magnus Maximus" of names.
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- ugh123 1y agoSounds like the back story to "Dances with Wolves"