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TBH, I find it extremely hard to acquire customers. Even with a rock solid product that is NOT, in any way, below the competition. I get the visits but the sign

TBH, I find it extremely hard to acquire customers. Even with a rock solid product that is NOT, in any way, below the competition. I get the visits but the signups are non existent. Probably because my audience is geared towards programmers and tech oriented businesses. I can do almost any project but marketing kills me.

usernamed7 1y ago
LPT: you need sales
- arewethereyeta 1y ago
  is this sarcasm?
  - CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
    Probably referring to having a sales team/person, rather than actual sales. Hard to judge what is wrong/could be better as I couldn't gather what your actual project is. Maybe there are some obvious glaring mistakes on the landing page or something that scares people off? Or it might just be trying to solve a problem that people don't actually have, or communicated poorly what problem it solves. I tend to see these being the most common reasons people don't even sign up.
    - arewethereyeta 1y ago
      Oh, the problem is there trust me. I am very close to both industries and I know for a fact that my service covers big holes. I'm just a sucker at converting.
      - soneca 1y ago
        Try to convert people that you know and trust you. You might learn why you are not converting people that do not know you
      - CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
        I see that you shared your project elsewhere (https://visitorquery.com/ https://visitorquery.com/) I won't comment on the project itself, but more about your mindset. I don't think "converting" is your issue, but your mindset is getting in the way of yourself. You see it as a no-brainer yet don't understand why people aren't buying, but you're 100% convinced you're right and solves the right problem in the right way. But clearly, if it did, you wouldn't even have to do sales, take a look at anubis for a project that is doing the very same but sells itself. So I guess my best tip to you is to look inwards, be humble, be honest and try to enter a "learning" mode instead of "telling/convinced" mode that you seem to currently be in.
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flashblaze 1y ago
Can you share your experience regarding marketing? Any specific courses you'd recommend, channels you tried and what worked or didn't? I have posted on Twitter, mentioned my product in Reddit comments and also "showcased" it in some Discord servers. All that amounted to around 30 signups in 1 week. But this is not sustainable, and I would like to try some other avenues as well.
- arewethereyeta 1y ago
  30 signups in one week is sustainable I don't know why you would say it is not. Customers will bring customers. I would love to get even 10 a week. I tried them all other than blogging which takes a lot of time and cold emailing. I would say Reddit commenting brings the most.
  - wahnfrieden 1y ago
    Is this b2b or consumer? You must crack organic marketing via IG/TT for greater reach. Reddit is only good for incremental/early growth. You will get millions of impressions on the other platforms if you play them right. But only if you have something that many people actually want.
    - flashblaze 1y ago
      It is B2C. I'm from India, so TT is a no go for me. My product is also not exactly Reels material. I'm not planning on doing ads since that is a different path which I would like to avoid as long as possible after I've exhausted all my other options.
      - wahnfrieden 1y ago
        Everyone who does TT seriously contracts people to create US TT accounts and proxies into managing them
  - flashblaze 1y ago
    I think you're right, I may be jumping to conclusions, and I would be in a better position to answer in a month or so whether the 30 signups are good or not. However, the reason I feel they are not enough is because I got them in my launch week (if you can call it that). I won't be able to do this every week, and I would like to find a sustainable way to get new users discovering my product. I think SEO is the answer to that and I am planning on checking out resources or short courses if there are any since they might help me in the future as well. The reason I was curious about your process was whether you had tried something different which I hadn't tried (or thought of) which might help me avoid/improve on your feedback.
pyb 1y ago
What's your product?
- arewethereyeta 1y ago
  https://visitorquery.com https://visitorquery.com
  - afro88 1y ago
    You're showing me pricing in euros, which is a bit off putting (I'm in Australia). It wouldn't stop me if I knew your product already and knew I needed it, but as a "cold" visitor it's a small thing that stops it being an insta buy.
    - aschobel 1y ago
      Same, from United States and not seeing dollars is a bit funky. I wonder if there are opportunities for more call to actions. e.g. I scrolled the page and the only links to sign up are at the top (I’m on mobile). Compare this to https://stripe.com/ https://stripe.com/ and it’s super obvious how to “Start now” from anywhere on the page.
    - openplatypus 1y ago
      We are also listing prices in EURO only. Our server bills are in EURO. Our salaries are in EURO. Our subscription for business operations are in EURO. Our accountancy costs are in EURO. It helps that our focus is on European customers, but that said, it is hard to justify going with USD pricing.
      - heipei 1y ago
        No it's not, not if you want to win customers from the US. Their annual budgets are in USD, so they don't have the flexibility to pay more next year just because the foreign exchange rate has shifted. You take the foreign exchange risk by listing prices in USD, but it could just as well be a windfall, and your customers pay stable prices in return.
n_ary 1y ago
Successful execution is 33.333% of the journey. Solid marketing is the differentiator. Take for example, we frequently see Cursor, Aider, Windsurf, copilot, but rarely are there mentions of cline, roo and I think like only once or twice in very early days we saw mentions or Supermaven. While Cursor runs babble from supermaven creator, many cursor users don’t know what supermaven is though they may know Aider or even cline. Now draw your conclusion. P.S. while I have no connection with supermaven, I do use it day to day personally as cursor/windsurf feels overhyped and crucial target to be acquired and enshittified anytime now(windsurf already got digested by oAI).
- arewethereyeta 1y ago
  I get that, not aiming for millions or billions (would be nice ofc). I'm just saying that is extremely hard to bring visits without dumping loads of cash and is 2x harder to make them even signup. I'm good with the execution but this marketing part drains me. A partnership with someone that knows how to bring customers would be ideal I reckon.
- soneca 1y ago
  Good example. I paid for Cursor for my job (with company credit card) without even knowing that Aider, Windsurf, Supermaven, cline and roo existed. Actually, except for Windsurf, I only learned about the others from your comment.
andrewmcwatters 1y ago
I don't want to be harsh, but comparing an IP address to registered allocations isn't a sophisticated product. Have you considered that people just don't want what you're selling? Please don't get me wrong: I also work in some spaces that are not highly valued by developers, so I empathize heavily. It's a pain in the butt trying to sell to programmers when this audience is literally one of the most difficult and obnoxiously inconsistently price sensitive. (Will spend thousands on hardware, scoffs at $1 apps.)
- arewethereyeta 1y ago
  I am not comparing an IP address with registered allocations. I do very minimal IP address work. You'd have to read the very first paragraph to see that `we don't use IP checks or blacklists`. Doing IP checks will not work against residential proxies. It actually is a sophisticated product.
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edmundsauto 1y ago
Have you considered your price point? I work for bigger companies, we would never go with someone whose base plan is so cheap. This is because it takes a lot of effort to make a purchase, and going to accounting for $10/month for something as important as regulatory compliance or antifraud just doesn’t vibe. Smaller vendors in your price target might have the budget but not the mindshare to implement. I’d be curious if you 100x your pricing.
- arewethereyeta 1y ago
  Well, you have that price on the enterprise plan. Are you saying that having my lowest price this low make the entire service look less "important"?
  - edmundsauto 1y ago
    Yes. It’s a mixed message to both be a low end provider or be an enterprise product. Maybe it makes sense but I think it might confuse any purchasing people I talk to. Folks want to fit you into a neat bucket. If you don’t fit in, it causes emotional discomfort. This can be true even if strictly not the case in your pov - but customers perception and emotional response might explain some of your difficulties. CloudFlare for example basically gives it all away, except to the people who make so much money that they want to pay a lot for a few niceties.
wooque 1y ago
Maybe because it doesn't work that well, I got "Proxy/VPN detected" on your page when I clicked "Test your connection" and I'm not behind proxy nor I use VPN.
- arewethereyeta 1y ago
  it's not exact science and false positives do happen.

usernamed7 1y ago

LPT: you need sales

arewethereyeta 1y ago
is this sarcasm?
- CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
  Probably referring to having a sales team/person, rather than actual sales. Hard to judge what is wrong/could be better as I couldn't gather what your actual project is. Maybe there are some obvious glaring mistakes on the landing page or something that scares people off? Or it might just be trying to solve a problem that people don't actually have, or communicated poorly what problem it solves. I tend to see these being the most common reasons people don't even sign up.
  - arewethereyeta 1y ago
    Oh, the problem is there trust me. I am very close to both industries and I know for a fact that my service covers big holes. I'm just a sucker at converting.
    - soneca 1y ago
      Try to convert people that you know and trust you. You might learn why you are not converting people that do not know you
    - CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
      I see that you shared your project elsewhere (https://visitorquery.com/ https://visitorquery.com/) I won't comment on the project itself, but more about your mindset. I don't think "converting" is your issue, but your mindset is getting in the way of yourself. You see it as a no-brainer yet don't understand why people aren't buying, but you're 100% convinced you're right and solves the right problem in the right way. But clearly, if it did, you wouldn't even have to do sales, take a look at anubis for a project that is doing the very same but sells itself. So I guess my best tip to you is to look inwards, be humble, be honest and try to enter a "learning" mode instead of "telling/convinced" mode that you seem to currently be in.
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flashblaze 1y ago

Can you share your experience regarding marketing? Any specific courses you'd recommend, channels you tried and what worked or didn't? I have posted on Twitter, mentioned my product in Reddit comments and also "showcased" it in some Discord servers. All that amounted to around 30 signups in 1 week. But this is not sustainable, and I would like to try some other avenues as well.

arewethereyeta 1y ago
30 signups in one week is sustainable I don't know why you would say it is not. Customers will bring customers. I would love to get even 10 a week. I tried them all other than blogging which takes a lot of time and cold emailing. I would say Reddit commenting brings the most.
- wahnfrieden 1y ago
  Is this b2b or consumer? You must crack organic marketing via IG/TT for greater reach. Reddit is only good for incremental/early growth. You will get millions of impressions on the other platforms if you play them right. But only if you have something that many people actually want.
  - flashblaze 1y ago
    It is B2C. I'm from India, so TT is a no go for me. My product is also not exactly Reels material. I'm not planning on doing ads since that is a different path which I would like to avoid as long as possible after I've exhausted all my other options.
    - wahnfrieden 1y ago
      Everyone who does TT seriously contracts people to create US TT accounts and proxies into managing them
- flashblaze 1y ago
  I think you're right, I may be jumping to conclusions, and I would be in a better position to answer in a month or so whether the 30 signups are good or not. However, the reason I feel they are not enough is because I got them in my launch week (if you can call it that). I won't be able to do this every week, and I would like to find a sustainable way to get new users discovering my product. I think SEO is the answer to that and I am planning on checking out resources or short courses if there are any since they might help me in the future as well. The reason I was curious about your process was whether you had tried something different which I hadn't tried (or thought of) which might help me avoid/improve on your feedback.

pyb 1y ago

What's your product?

arewethereyeta 1y ago
https://visitorquery.com https://visitorquery.com
- afro88 1y ago
  You're showing me pricing in euros, which is a bit off putting (I'm in Australia). It wouldn't stop me if I knew your product already and knew I needed it, but as a "cold" visitor it's a small thing that stops it being an insta buy.
  - aschobel 1y ago
    Same, from United States and not seeing dollars is a bit funky. I wonder if there are opportunities for more call to actions. e.g. I scrolled the page and the only links to sign up are at the top (I’m on mobile). Compare this to https://stripe.com/ https://stripe.com/ and it’s super obvious how to “Start now” from anywhere on the page.
  - openplatypus 1y ago
    We are also listing prices in EURO only. Our server bills are in EURO. Our salaries are in EURO. Our subscription for business operations are in EURO. Our accountancy costs are in EURO. It helps that our focus is on European customers, but that said, it is hard to justify going with USD pricing.
    - heipei 1y ago
      No it's not, not if you want to win customers from the US. Their annual budgets are in USD, so they don't have the flexibility to pay more next year just because the foreign exchange rate has shifted. You take the foreign exchange risk by listing prices in USD, but it could just as well be a windfall, and your customers pay stable prices in return.

n_ary 1y ago

Successful execution is 33.333% of the journey. Solid marketing is the differentiator. Take for example, we frequently see Cursor, Aider, Windsurf, copilot, but rarely are there mentions of cline, roo and I think like only once or twice in very early days we saw mentions or Supermaven. While Cursor runs babble from supermaven creator, many cursor users don’t know what supermaven is though they may know Aider or even cline. Now draw your conclusion. P.S. while I have no connection with supermaven, I do use it day to day personally as cursor/windsurf feels overhyped and crucial target to be acquired and enshittified anytime now(windsurf already got digested by oAI).

arewethereyeta 1y ago
I get that, not aiming for millions or billions (would be nice ofc). I'm just saying that is extremely hard to bring visits without dumping loads of cash and is 2x harder to make them even signup. I'm good with the execution but this marketing part drains me. A partnership with someone that knows how to bring customers would be ideal I reckon.
soneca 1y ago
Good example. I paid for Cursor for my job (with company credit card) without even knowing that Aider, Windsurf, Supermaven, cline and roo existed. Actually, except for Windsurf, I only learned about the others from your comment.

andrewmcwatters 1y ago

I don't want to be harsh, but comparing an IP address to registered allocations isn't a sophisticated product. Have you considered that people just don't want what you're selling? Please don't get me wrong: I also work in some spaces that are not highly valued by developers, so I empathize heavily. It's a pain in the butt trying to sell to programmers when this audience is literally one of the most difficult and obnoxiously inconsistently price sensitive. (Will spend thousands on hardware, scoffs at $1 apps.)

arewethereyeta 1y ago
I am not comparing an IP address with registered allocations. I do very minimal IP address work. You'd have to read the very first paragraph to see that `we don't use IP checks or blacklists`. Doing IP checks will not work against residential proxies. It actually is a sophisticated product.
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edmundsauto 1y ago

Have you considered your price point? I work for bigger companies, we would never go with someone whose base plan is so cheap. This is because it takes a lot of effort to make a purchase, and going to accounting for $10/month for something as important as regulatory compliance or antifraud just doesn’t vibe. Smaller vendors in your price target might have the budget but not the mindshare to implement. I’d be curious if you 100x your pricing.

arewethereyeta 1y ago
Well, you have that price on the enterprise plan. Are you saying that having my lowest price this low make the entire service look less "important"?
- edmundsauto 1y ago
  Yes. It’s a mixed message to both be a low end provider or be an enterprise product. Maybe it makes sense but I think it might confuse any purchasing people I talk to. Folks want to fit you into a neat bucket. If you don’t fit in, it causes emotional discomfort. This can be true even if strictly not the case in your pov - but customers perception and emotional response might explain some of your difficulties. CloudFlare for example basically gives it all away, except to the people who make so much money that they want to pay a lot for a few niceties.

wooque 1y ago

Maybe because it doesn't work that well, I got "Proxy/VPN detected" on your page when I clicked "Test your connection" and I'm not behind proxy nor I use VPN.

arewethereyeta 1y ago
it's not exact science and false positives do happen.