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Basically they are telling people whose support contract expired to stop using/installing newer patches (that they received/downloaded from "somewhere") Doesn'

Basically they are telling people whose support contract expired to stop using/installing newer patches (that they received/downloaded from "somewhere") Doesn't sound too unreasonable to me... If you prefer to run without support, you can of course still do that. But don't install newer patches then.

NikolaNovak 1y ago
Ahh, you've read the article... Where's the fun in that! :-) My minor personal grief is that I've had perpetual licenses for vsphere 6. In the transition to broadcom account, those have completely and utterly disappeared - if you read the details of 3rd level FAQ, by design. Ah well!
- znpy 1y ago
  Can the acquiring company even decide to dishonour the acquired company’s legal obligations?
  - NikolaNovak 1y ago
    I think lawyers will decide whether they are dishonoring obligations or not. The real tragedy to me is the loss of access for non massive customers. Vmware was smart to build a slope of adoption, from individual techies with curiosity and home labs, to small shops with simple needs, all the way through massive governmental or multinational behemoths. That ramp-up is being dismantled. They can ride current crop of enterprise customers for a long time -- but where is next batch going to come from? Which techies in which company in 10 years,who don't already have pervasive vmware footprint, will even begin to consider it?
    - moepstar 1y ago
      > Which techies in which company in 10 years,who don't already have pervasive vmware footprint, will even begin to consider it? Quite the opposite, actually - actively try to not fall into that trap.
  - grendelt 1y ago
    SiriusXM tried to weasel out of Lifetime subscription obligations and lost in a class action.
- twelvedogs 1y ago
  Did you, there were people getting it days after there contract expired
- dark-star 1y ago
  correct me if I'm wrong, but the perpetual licenses under VMware also came with the requirement that you only get patches/updates as long as you pay for a support contract, right? "perpetual" basically meant that your license doesn't suddenly expire, not that you get free lifetime patches/updates
  - NikolaNovak 1y ago
    Agreed. But my account no longer has any mention, visibility, or indication that my perpetual licenses ever existed. No record of purchase. No ability to download. No ability to obtain and check your license.
wkat4242 1y ago
You don't think it's unreasonable to sell a 'lifetime' license and then go like "haha fooled you bro, gotta pay up now"?
- dark-star 1y ago
  I'm pretty sure "lifetime license" never meant what you think it did. It just meant that the license itself doesn't suddenly expire (and render your VMware environment useless/non-working). It didn't mean that you get lifetime free updates. That was always tied to a support contract.

NikolaNovak 1y ago

Ahh, you've read the article... Where's the fun in that! :-) My minor personal grief is that I've had perpetual licenses for vsphere 6. In the transition to broadcom account, those have completely and utterly disappeared - if you read the details of 3rd level FAQ, by design. Ah well!

znpy 1y ago
Can the acquiring company even decide to dishonour the acquired company’s legal obligations?
- NikolaNovak 1y ago
  I think lawyers will decide whether they are dishonoring obligations or not. The real tragedy to me is the loss of access for non massive customers. Vmware was smart to build a slope of adoption, from individual techies with curiosity and home labs, to small shops with simple needs, all the way through massive governmental or multinational behemoths. That ramp-up is being dismantled. They can ride current crop of enterprise customers for a long time -- but where is next batch going to come from? Which techies in which company in 10 years,who don't already have pervasive vmware footprint, will even begin to consider it?
  - moepstar 1y ago
    > Which techies in which company in 10 years,who don't already have pervasive vmware footprint, will even begin to consider it? Quite the opposite, actually - actively try to not fall into that trap.
- grendelt 1y ago
  SiriusXM tried to weasel out of Lifetime subscription obligations and lost in a class action.
twelvedogs 1y ago
Did you, there were people getting it days after there contract expired
dark-star 1y ago
correct me if I'm wrong, but the perpetual licenses under VMware also came with the requirement that you only get patches/updates as long as you pay for a support contract, right? "perpetual" basically meant that your license doesn't suddenly expire, not that you get free lifetime patches/updates
- NikolaNovak 1y ago
  Agreed. But my account no longer has any mention, visibility, or indication that my perpetual licenses ever existed. No record of purchase. No ability to download. No ability to obtain and check your license.

wkat4242 1y ago

You don't think it's unreasonable to sell a 'lifetime' license and then go like "haha fooled you bro, gotta pay up now"?

dark-star 1y ago
I'm pretty sure "lifetime license" never meant what you think it did. It just meant that the license itself doesn't suddenly expire (and render your VMware environment useless/non-working). It didn't mean that you get lifetime free updates. That was always tied to a support contract.