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I know Delphi, yet I didn't know Lazarus until now. I'm sure there are others like me. I can understand not wanting to explain Delphi, but come on, not everyon

by Timon3 1y ago

I know Delphi, yet I didn't know Lazarus until now. I'm sure there are others like me. I can understand not wanting to explain Delphi, but come on, not everyone knows the name of every IDE for every language. It doesn't hurt to add one sentence explaining that. If I hadn't seen the comment above, I wouldn't be able to consider Lazarus in the future if I ever use Delphi again.

nurettin 1y ago
Given vc++ you would look for an open source version and land on gcc or clang, right? Or given windows you would check out what alternatives there are and learn a bit about linux, openbsd, and so on. At least that was my assumption. I think it is reasonable.
- Timon3 1y ago
  I mean sure, I can probably find Lazarus if searching for a Delphi IDE. But please explain: what's the advantage? They save a couple of bytes in storage for the forum post, and besides that, what do you get apart from a sense of elitism due to those outside of the ecosystem not getting much from the announcement post? I don't see anything besides gatekeeping. Fewer people will know the project in the context it's meant to be used. That seems strictly negative. What's the positive?
  - nurettin 1y ago
    I thought the upside was pretty obvious, but perhaps there is such an age and culture gap that it has to be said out loud: I'm all for people exercising (and thus, strengthening) their research and patience skills. And complaining about how not every post on HN is a pretty landing page pitching a product is a spit in the face of that. Some communities don't attract people like this and rightly so. I grew up in a RTFM & RTFS culture (and it was awesome!), so perhaps we might never reconcile our differences.
    - Timon3 1y ago
      In that case, why not hide the information behind even more pages & links? That surely must be even better for making people exercise those strengths!
      - nurettin 1y ago
        Yep that's what I've been crowing about all along. Glad we finally agree!
        Timon3 1y ago
        I just wrote a response to this comment, but it's not here. Good luck finding it! Looking forward to your reply.
        nurettin 1y ago
        Hmm yes, I will have to trust my well developed strengths to find deliberately hidden information. Well communicated, that is exactly what I wrote and meant. You know, with this exchange of ideas we probably inspired a lot of ten year olds about: searching the other things like that thing you just saw, and clicking more than once.

by Timon3 1y ago

nurettin 1y ago

Given vc++ you would look for an open source version and land on gcc or clang, right? Or given windows you would check out what alternatives there are and learn a bit about linux, openbsd, and so on. At least that was my assumption. I think it is reasonable.

Timon3 1y ago
I mean sure, I can probably find Lazarus if searching for a Delphi IDE. But please explain: what's the advantage? They save a couple of bytes in storage for the forum post, and besides that, what do you get apart from a sense of elitism due to those outside of the ecosystem not getting much from the announcement post? I don't see anything besides gatekeeping. Fewer people will know the project in the context it's meant to be used. That seems strictly negative. What's the positive?
- nurettin 1y ago
  I thought the upside was pretty obvious, but perhaps there is such an age and culture gap that it has to be said out loud: I'm all for people exercising (and thus, strengthening) their research and patience skills. And complaining about how not every post on HN is a pretty landing page pitching a product is a spit in the face of that. Some communities don't attract people like this and rightly so. I grew up in a RTFM & RTFS culture (and it was awesome!), so perhaps we might never reconcile our differences.
  - Timon3 1y ago
    In that case, why not hide the information behind even more pages & links? That surely must be even better for making people exercise those strengths!
    - nurettin 1y ago
      Yep that's what I've been crowing about all along. Glad we finally agree!
      - Timon3 1y ago
        I just wrote a response to this comment, but it's not here. Good luck finding it! Looking forward to your reply.
        nurettin 1y ago
        Hmm yes, I will have to trust my well developed strengths to find deliberately hidden information. Well communicated, that is exactly what I wrote and meant. You know, with this exchange of ideas we probably inspired a lot of ten year olds about: searching the other things like that thing you just saw, and clicking more than once.