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What are you talking about, there are competitors for all these products, they simply just aren't as good...

doctorpangloss 1y ago
Not just bad. There isn't a single piece of Apple software that is (1) free and (2) people choose to use on iOS, only use because the user is forced to. Photos? Forced, sucks. iMessage? Forced, sucks. Apple Mail, Calendar, Contacts? Huge pieces of shit. The App Store, the very gateway into competition, is the shittiest of all, and not just because the 30% fee, but because its discovery is maybe the worst ever made by any catalog-style front end in the world. At least they opened up the password completion APIs.
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- TechDebtDevin 1y ago
  Yeah, I really don't understand how MS, Google and AT&T get this treatment but not Apple..
  - int_19h 1y ago
    Mostly because they don't have 90+% market share in anything.
- pnathan 1y ago
  Apple user software is legitimately awful in a systematic way. Although I like the Chess app. :) Google, interestingly, is much better. I don't know what to say. It's clear that the Internet Ecosystem has a megafauna of Google and taking it out would be an ecosystem collapse, but the other Megafauna are... worse.
- Shank 1y ago
  It’s pretty myopic to say that people don’t choose to use Apple software. Not only do many people choose to use the Apple software that comes with their devices, they buy those devices for it.
- Den_VR 1y ago
  People literally buy phones from Apple so they can have a blue bubble in iMessage. Movies carry out social campaigns about how they were “filmed” on iPhone. And there’s no shortage of alternatives on those devices, from WhatsApp to Signal.
makeitdouble 1y ago
> as good This is a point that will be recurring and merits more thought IMHO. Google services are mostly better because they crushed competition. Cutting their advantage will also mean better alternatives (money will flow to competitors instead of being sucked by Google). As an analogy, it's like athlete doping: they sure were faster than the other athletes, but that's part of the issue.
- Workaccount2 1y ago
  The fundamental issue is that people don't want to pay money for things. Google tapped into that by creating an ad economy, which since it's inception also comes with a payment optional feature (ad-blocking). People may hate google, but by god do they ever love the internet google created.
  - makeitdouble 1y ago
    Yes, that's why anti-dumping laws were put into place, except it's complicated to expand to online markets. I actually wonder how much people actually like the current web. People bitching about popups and ads is enough of a staple of our culture.
    - Workaccount2 1y ago
      People hate the current web the way a teenager hates the Blue 2023 F-150 his parents got him because a Black 2025 Dodge Ram is what he wanted.
      - makeitdouble 1y ago
        If his parents dipped into the funds their grand-parent left to release at his 18th birthday, just to buy him the F150, he sure should be pissed about not getting what he actually wanted. What Google "gives" isn't popping from nowhere, the billions they use to fund it still came from us, just in indirect ways.
      - MyOutfitIsVague 1y ago

Not just bad. There isn't a single piece of Apple software that is (1) free and (2) people choose to use on iOS, only use because the user is forced to. Photos? Forced, sucks. iMessage? Forced, sucks. Apple Mail, Calendar, Contacts? Huge pieces of shit. The App Store, the very gateway into competition, is the shittiest of all, and not just because the 30% fee, but because its discovery is maybe the worst ever made by any catalog-style front end in the world. At least they opened up the password completion APIs.

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TechDebtDevin 1y ago
Yeah, I really don't understand how MS, Google and AT&T get this treatment but not Apple..
- int_19h 1y ago
  Mostly because they don't have 90+% market share in anything.
pnathan 1y ago
Apple user software is legitimately awful in a systematic way. Although I like the Chess app. :) Google, interestingly, is much better. I don't know what to say. It's clear that the Internet Ecosystem has a megafauna of Google and taking it out would be an ecosystem collapse, but the other Megafauna are... worse.
Shank 1y ago
It’s pretty myopic to say that people don’t choose to use Apple software. Not only do many people choose to use the Apple software that comes with their devices, they buy those devices for it.
Den_VR 1y ago
People literally buy phones from Apple so they can have a blue bubble in iMessage. Movies carry out social campaigns about how they were “filmed” on iPhone. And there’s no shortage of alternatives on those devices, from WhatsApp to Signal.

makeitdouble 1y ago

> as good This is a point that will be recurring and merits more thought IMHO. Google services are mostly better because they crushed competition. Cutting their advantage will also mean better alternatives (money will flow to competitors instead of being sucked by Google). As an analogy, it's like athlete doping: they sure were faster than the other athletes, but that's part of the issue.

Workaccount2 1y ago
The fundamental issue is that people don't want to pay money for things. Google tapped into that by creating an ad economy, which since it's inception also comes with a payment optional feature (ad-blocking). People may hate google, but by god do they ever love the internet google created.
- makeitdouble 1y ago
  Yes, that's why anti-dumping laws were put into place, except it's complicated to expand to online markets. I actually wonder how much people actually like the current web. People bitching about popups and ads is enough of a staple of our culture.
  - Workaccount2 1y ago
    People hate the current web the way a teenager hates the Blue 2023 F-150 his parents got him because a Black 2025 Dodge Ram is what he wanted.
    - makeitdouble 1y ago
      If his parents dipped into the funds their grand-parent left to release at his 18th birthday, just to buy him the F150, he sure should be pissed about not getting what he actually wanted. What Google "gives" isn't popping from nowhere, the billions they use to fund it still came from us, just in indirect ways.
    - MyOutfitIsVague 1y ago