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Are any TLDs in use in their own right? I ask because .va is presumably for Vatican, so 'vatican.va' is kind of redundant, they could just use 'va' right? (You

by OJFord 1y ago

Are any TLDs in use in their own right? I ask because .va is presumably for Vatican, so 'vatican.va' is kind of redundant, they could just use 'va' right? (You might need an 'http:// http://' or a fully-qualifying '.' suffix in a browser, which I suppose is an argument against doing it, but still.)

delusional 1y ago
At least for a while dk-hostmaster, the national registry in Denmark was using http://dk http://dk as (one of) their domains. Nowadays they're called "punktum dk" (literally "dot dk") and have dropped their TLD redirect. I think it's generally frowned upon by ICANN nowadays.
- tux3 1y ago
  It's indeed forbidden by ICANN, so none of the myriad of vanity TLDs can do it.. ccTLDs could, if they wanted to go against the grain, but I'm not aware whether anyone still does.
  - jsheard 1y ago
    .uz (Uzbekistan) resolves by itself, but the server it points to has an invalid cert so you have to click past an error to see it. Still, it's technically a working naked TLD. https://uz./ https://uz./
    - sebmellen 1y ago
      Amazing that that’s possible.
ronsor 1y ago
You could always use `www.va` or `about.va`.
- jen729w 1y ago
  `the.va`?
- saaaaaam 1y ago
  www.va tells me “Oops! We weren't able to find your Azure Front Door Service configuration. If it's a new configuration that you recently created, it might not be ready yet. You should check again in a few minutes. If the problem persists, please contact Azure support.” So that’s fun!
pelagicAustral 1y ago
If you want to talk about redundancy in domain naming conventions look no further. The Falkland Islands ran FIG.GOV.FK for government websites, in the shape of FIG.GOV.FK/CUSTOMS meaning "Customs service of the Falkland Islands Government (FIG), of the government (GOV) of the Falkland Islands (FK)". Even today they dont shake the FALKLANDS.GOV.FK which is again redundant...
- philistine 1y ago
  You probably have the most convoluted. I've got an example in its simplest form for you: https://canada.ca https://canada.ca
  - codetrotter 1y ago
    In Norway we have a website developed by the Norwegian Digitalisation Agency which has the domain https://www.norge.no/ https://www.norge.no/ (Norge means Norway in Norwegian.) But in our case that’s a little bit different from the Canadian one. Norge.no is a guide to digital public services in Norway. The portal presents services from national and local government agencies. So it’s a place you might go to find where to go for government services when you aren’t sure where to go to find it. And then you are taken to the actual website for what you are looking for, which will be under its own domain instead of on norge.no Personally I don’t use Norge.no, I just go more or less directly to the websites for the government services that I am interested in or I find them on Google.
  - OJFord 1y ago
    A shame really, since it would be fun to have gov.ca (Canada) and ca.gov (California, US).
josephcsible 1y ago
There are a handful. https://lab.avl.la/dotless/ https://lab.avl.la/dotless/ has a list of some. Its not allowed for gTLDs, but ccTLDs belong to the corresponding country so nobody has the authority to disallow it for them.
- LadyCailin 1y ago
  This got me down a rabbit hole. ICANN has a form where you can report a name collision, and if it causes harm to life, they apparently will take action to remove an entry from DNS. I wonder if this has ever been exercised, and if so, I would be curious to hear the story. > ICANN will initiate an emergency response for name collision reports only where there is a reasonable belief that the name collision presents a clear and present danger to human life.
dragonwriter 1y ago
> I ask because .va is presumably for Vatican, .va is the ccTLD for the State of Vatican City (equivalent to, say, .uk for the United Kingdom) vatican.va is the domain used by the Holy See as such. Given the relation between the Holy See and the State of Vatican City, this is very loosely parallel to royal.uk ("The Vatican" is a common metonym for the Holy See) vaticanstate.va is the domain used by the State of Vatican City (this is like gov.uk) Several subordinate organizations of the Holy See or the State of Vatican City have their own second-level domains under the .va ccTLD.

by OJFord 1y ago

delusional 1y ago

At least for a while dk-hostmaster, the national registry in Denmark was using http://dk http://dk as (one of) their domains. Nowadays they're called "punktum dk" (literally "dot dk") and have dropped their TLD redirect. I think it's generally frowned upon by ICANN nowadays.

tux3 1y ago
It's indeed forbidden by ICANN, so none of the myriad of vanity TLDs can do it.. ccTLDs could, if they wanted to go against the grain, but I'm not aware whether anyone still does.
- jsheard 1y ago
  .uz (Uzbekistan) resolves by itself, but the server it points to has an invalid cert so you have to click past an error to see it. Still, it's technically a working naked TLD. https://uz./ https://uz./
  - sebmellen 1y ago
    Amazing that that’s possible.

ronsor 1y ago

You could always use `www.va` or `about.va`.

jen729w 1y ago
`the.va`?
saaaaaam 1y ago
www.va tells me “Oops! We weren't able to find your Azure Front Door Service configuration. If it's a new configuration that you recently created, it might not be ready yet. You should check again in a few minutes. If the problem persists, please contact Azure support.” So that’s fun!

pelagicAustral 1y ago

If you want to talk about redundancy in domain naming conventions look no further. The Falkland Islands ran FIG.GOV.FK for government websites, in the shape of FIG.GOV.FK/CUSTOMS meaning "Customs service of the Falkland Islands Government (FIG), of the government (GOV) of the Falkland Islands (FK)". Even today they dont shake the FALKLANDS.GOV.FK which is again redundant...

philistine 1y ago
You probably have the most convoluted. I've got an example in its simplest form for you: https://canada.ca https://canada.ca
- codetrotter 1y ago
  In Norway we have a website developed by the Norwegian Digitalisation Agency which has the domain https://www.norge.no/ https://www.norge.no/ (Norge means Norway in Norwegian.) But in our case that’s a little bit different from the Canadian one. Norge.no is a guide to digital public services in Norway. The portal presents services from national and local government agencies. So it’s a place you might go to find where to go for government services when you aren’t sure where to go to find it. And then you are taken to the actual website for what you are looking for, which will be under its own domain instead of on norge.no Personally I don’t use Norge.no, I just go more or less directly to the websites for the government services that I am interested in or I find them on Google.
- OJFord 1y ago
  A shame really, since it would be fun to have gov.ca (Canada) and ca.gov (California, US).

josephcsible 1y ago

There are a handful. https://lab.avl.la/dotless/ https://lab.avl.la/dotless/ has a list of some. Its not allowed for gTLDs, but ccTLDs belong to the corresponding country so nobody has the authority to disallow it for them.

LadyCailin 1y ago
This got me down a rabbit hole. ICANN has a form where you can report a name collision, and if it causes harm to life, they apparently will take action to remove an entry from DNS. I wonder if this has ever been exercised, and if so, I would be curious to hear the story. > ICANN will initiate an emergency response for name collision reports only where there is a reasonable belief that the name collision presents a clear and present danger to human life.

dragonwriter 1y ago

> I ask because .va is presumably for Vatican, .va is the ccTLD for the State of Vatican City (equivalent to, say, .uk for the United Kingdom) vatican.va is the domain used by the Holy See as such. Given the relation between the Holy See and the State of Vatican City, this is very loosely parallel to royal.uk ("The Vatican" is a common metonym for the Holy See) vaticanstate.va is the domain used by the State of Vatican City (this is like gov.uk) Several subordinate organizations of the Holy See or the State of Vatican City have their own second-level domains under the .va ccTLD.