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This actually isn't that surprising. There are psychological blindspots that we all have as human beings, and when stimulus is structured in specific ways peop

This actually isn't that surprising. There are psychological blindspots that we all have as human beings, and when stimulus is structured in specific ways people lose their grip on reality, or rather more accurately, people have their grip on objective reality ripped away from them without them realizing it because these things operate on us subliminally (to a lesser or greater degree depending on the individual), and it mostly happens pre-perception with the victim none the wiser. They then effectively become slaves to the loudest monster, which is the AI speaking in their ear more than anyone else, and by extension to the slave master who programmed the AI. One such blindspot is the consistency blindspot where someone may induce you to say something indicating agreement with something similar first, and then ask the question they really want to ask. Once you say something that's in agreement, and by extension something similar is asked, there is bleedover and you fight your own psychology later if you didn't have defenses to short circuit this fixed action pattern (i.e. and already know), and that's just a surface level blindspot that car salesman use all the time; there are much more subtle ones like distorted reflected appraisal which are used by cults, and nation states for thought reform. To remain internally consistent, with distorted reflected appraisal, your psychology warps itself, and you as a person unravel. These things have been used in torture, but almost no one today is taught what the elements of torture are so they can recognize it, or know how it works. You would be surprised to find that these things are everywhere today, even in K12 education and that's not an accident. Everyone has reflected appraisal because this is how we adopt the cultural identity we have as people from our parents while we are children. All that's needed for torture to break someone down are the elements, structuring, and clustering. Those elements are isolation, cognitive dissonance, coercion with perceived or real loss, and lack of agency to remove with these you break in a series of steps rational thought receding, involuntary hypnosis, and then psychological break (disassociation or a special semi-lucid psychosis capable of planning); with time and exposure. Structuring uses diabolical structures to turn the psyche back on itself in a trauma loop, and clustering includes any multiples of these elements or structures within a short time period, as well as events that increase susceptibility such as narco-analysis/synthesis based in dopamine spikes triggered by associative priming (operant conditioning). Drug use makes one more susceptible as they found in the early 30s with barbituates, and its since been improved so you can induce this is in almost anyone with a phone. No AI will ever be able to create and maintain a consistent reflected appraisal for the people they are interacting with, but because the harmful effects aren't seen immediately, people today have blinded themselves and discount the harms that naturally result. The harms from the unnatural loss of objective reality.

lurk2 1y ago
Very interesting. Could you recommend any further reading?
- trod1234 1y ago
  Robert Cialdini is probably the lightest book and covers most of the different blindspots we have, except distorted reflected appraisal in his book on Influence. He provides the principles but leaves most of the structure up to the person's imagination. The coursework in an introduction to communication class may provide some foundational details (depending on the instructor), Sapir-Whorf has basis in blindspots. Robert Lifton touches on the detailed case studies of torture from the 1950s (under Mao), in his book "Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism", and I've heard in later books he creates a framework that classifies cultures as Protean (self-direction, growth, self-determination/agency), or Totalism (towards control which eventually fails Darwin's fitness). I haven't actually read his later books yet though his earlier books were quite detailed. I believe the internet archive has a copy of this available for reading as a pdf but be warned this is quite dark. Joost Meerloo in his, "Rape of the Mind" as an overview touches on how Totalitarianism grows in the setting of WW2 and some Mao, though takes Freudian look at things (dating certain aspects which we know to be untrue now). From there it branches out depending on your interest. The modern material itself while based on these earlier works often has the origins obscured following a separation of objectionable concerns. There are congressional reports on COINTELPRO and you may find notice it has modern iterations (touching on protest/activist activity harassment), as well as the history of East German Stasi, and Zersetzung where governments use this to repress the population. There are aspects in the Octalysis Framework (gamification/game design). Paulo Freire used some of this material in developing his critical pedagogy which was used in the 70s to replace teaching method from a reduction of first principles (based in rome and the greeks) to what's commonly known as rote-based teaching, and later called "Lying to Children", which takes the reversal of that approach following more closely to gnosticism. The approach is basically you give a flawed useless model which includes both true and false things. Students learn to competence, then are given a new model that's less flawed, where you have to learn and unlearn things already learned. You never actually unlearn anything and it induces frustration and torture destroying minds in the process. Each step towards gnosis becomes more useful but only the most compliant and blind make it to the end with few exceptions. Structures that burn bridges induce failure in math, and the effect is this acts as a filter to gatekeep the technical fields. The water pipe analogy of voltage in electronics as an example of the latter instead of the first principled approach using diffusion which is more correct. Disney and Dreamworks uses distorted reflected appraisal tailored towards destructive interference of identity, which some employees have blown the whistle on (for the latter), aimed at children and sneak things past their adult guardians. There's quite a lot if you look around but its not under any single name but scattered. Hopefully that helps. The Dreamworks whistleblower interview can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvNZRUtqqa8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvNZRUtqqa8 All indexed references of it seem to now have been removed from search. I'm glad now that I kept a reference link in a text file. Update: Dreamworks isn't Pixar, I misremembered,they are owned by Universal Studios, whereas Disney own's Pixar. Pixar and Disney appear to do the same things.

lurk2 1y ago

Very interesting. Could you recommend any further reading?

trod1234 1y ago
Robert Cialdini is probably the lightest book and covers most of the different blindspots we have, except distorted reflected appraisal in his book on Influence. He provides the principles but leaves most of the structure up to the person's imagination. The coursework in an introduction to communication class may provide some foundational details (depending on the instructor), Sapir-Whorf has basis in blindspots. Robert Lifton touches on the detailed case studies of torture from the 1950s (under Mao), in his book "Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism", and I've heard in later books he creates a framework that classifies cultures as Protean (self-direction, growth, self-determination/agency), or Totalism (towards control which eventually fails Darwin's fitness). I haven't actually read his later books yet though his earlier books were quite detailed. I believe the internet archive has a copy of this available for reading as a pdf but be warned this is quite dark. Joost Meerloo in his, "Rape of the Mind" as an overview touches on how Totalitarianism grows in the setting of WW2 and some Mao, though takes Freudian look at things (dating certain aspects which we know to be untrue now). From there it branches out depending on your interest. The modern material itself while based on these earlier works often has the origins obscured following a separation of objectionable concerns. There are congressional reports on COINTELPRO and you may find notice it has modern iterations (touching on protest/activist activity harassment), as well as the history of East German Stasi, and Zersetzung where governments use this to repress the population. There are aspects in the Octalysis Framework (gamification/game design). Paulo Freire used some of this material in developing his critical pedagogy which was used in the 70s to replace teaching method from a reduction of first principles (based in rome and the greeks) to what's commonly known as rote-based teaching, and later called "Lying to Children", which takes the reversal of that approach following more closely to gnosticism. The approach is basically you give a flawed useless model which includes both true and false things. Students learn to competence, then are given a new model that's less flawed, where you have to learn and unlearn things already learned. You never actually unlearn anything and it induces frustration and torture destroying minds in the process. Each step towards gnosis becomes more useful but only the most compliant and blind make it to the end with few exceptions. Structures that burn bridges induce failure in math, and the effect is this acts as a filter to gatekeep the technical fields. The water pipe analogy of voltage in electronics as an example of the latter instead of the first principled approach using diffusion which is more correct. Disney and Dreamworks uses distorted reflected appraisal tailored towards destructive interference of identity, which some employees have blown the whistle on (for the latter), aimed at children and sneak things past their adult guardians. There's quite a lot if you look around but its not under any single name but scattered. Hopefully that helps. The Dreamworks whistleblower interview can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvNZRUtqqa8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvNZRUtqqa8 All indexed references of it seem to now have been removed from search. I'm glad now that I kept a reference link in a text file. Update: Dreamworks isn't Pixar, I misremembered,they are owned by Universal Studios, whereas Disney own's Pixar. Pixar and Disney appear to do the same things.