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Energy Star is entirely voluntary. Manufacturers make energy-efficient appliances because consumers prefer them over less efficient appliances, not because the

by lima 1y ago

Energy Star is entirely voluntary. Manufacturers make energy-efficient appliances because consumers prefer them over less efficient appliances, not because the government is forcing them.

briHass 1y ago
If that is the case, then there should be no need for Energy Star, because manufacturers already have an incentive to increase efficiency due to customer demand. I'm highly dubious of the $500b this program has claimed to save consumers. Almost without fail, efficiency improvements in home appliances has greatly increased complexity (less reliable), reduced common components across brands (higher cost to fix), increase purchase price, and compromised actual performance.
- chneu 1y ago
  Lol are you serious? We know companies make worse versions of products on purpose. Free market evangelist people are out of touch with reality.
- throw0101d 1y ago
  > If that is the case, then there should be no need for Energy Star, because manufacturers already have an incentive to increase efficiency due to customer demand. Energy Star is handy because it's a known quality with set standards. If there was no standard companies could start doing all sorts of marketing BS with meaningless numbers. With ES you know what you're getting and it's a apples-apples comparison. Same with dishwasher: Energy Star means some specific, and if a unit has a sticker than it's at (at least) the same level as another unit with the sticker. An OEM has now go above and beyond that in features. Contrast that with the MaP Test, which is voluntary in the toilet industry, which most manufacturers use if those it is voluntary: * https://map-testing.com/ https://map-testing.com/ If there was an ES-equivalent standard for laundry then perhaps Energy Star itself would not be needed at that point.

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Energy Star is entirely voluntary. Manufacturers make energy-efficient appliances because consumers prefer them over less efficient appliances, not because the

by lima 1y ago

Energy Star is entirely voluntary. Manufacturers make energy-efficient appliances because consumers prefer them over less efficient appliances, not because the government is forcing them.

briHass 1y ago
If that is the case, then there should be no need for Energy Star, because manufacturers already have an incentive to increase efficiency due to customer demand. I'm highly dubious of the $500b this program has claimed to save consumers. Almost without fail, efficiency improvements in home appliances has greatly increased complexity (less reliable), reduced common components across brands (higher cost to fix), increase purchase price, and compromised actual performance.
- chneu 1y ago
  Lol are you serious? We know companies make worse versions of products on purpose. Free market evangelist people are out of touch with reality.
- throw0101d 1y ago
  > If that is the case, then there should be no need for Energy Star, because manufacturers already have an incentive to increase efficiency due to customer demand. Energy Star is handy because it's a known quality with set standards. If there was no standard companies could start doing all sorts of marketing BS with meaningless numbers. With ES you know what you're getting and it's a apples-apples comparison. Same with dishwasher: Energy Star means some specific, and if a unit has a sticker than it's at (at least) the same level as another unit with the sticker. An OEM has now go above and beyond that in features. Contrast that with the MaP Test, which is voluntary in the toilet industry, which most manufacturers use if those it is voluntary: * https://map-testing.com/ https://map-testing.com/ If there was an ES-equivalent standard for laundry then perhaps Energy Star itself would not be needed at that point.