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Energy star like CAFE for cars was well intentioned but ended up driving all sorts of undesirable design practices to hit the ratings. Manufacturers especially
by nothercastle 1y ago
Energy star like CAFE for cars was well intentioned but ended up driving all sorts of undesirable design practices to hit the ratings. Manufacturers especially in the high end chase the highest rating and design appliances that do a poor job of cleaning to hit the low water use target. In the end we all end up eating a bunch of unwashed detergent to save a gallon of water or using 10 gallons to pre and post rinse.
That being said a lot of these problems could have been updated into the standard instead of killing it but industry groups didn’t allow that so now it’s going to die and everyone losses.
- prof-dr-ir 1y ago[citation needed]
- mjevans 1y agoI believe it; it's like the first decade or two of low-flow / flush toilets which were generally just terrible and ineffective. Hopefully, like the toilets, a new standard rises that is based around how effective something is at it's primary job _first_, with efficiency in other areas then measured after completing the intended task.
- detourdog 1y agoThat is where I expect care in product development. A standard is a number to hit and if a manufacturer takes care in their work the consumer should experience no degradation in quality.
- leereeves 1y agoWell said. I have one of those "low-flush" toilets. I have to flush it twice, so I end up using more water than a regular toilet.
- morsch 1y agoLooking at the averages, that's still less water.
- nothercastle 1y agoThe appliance industry found a hack to prevent or at least greatly delay consumers rejecting bad products by creating thousands of skus for nearly identical products that made identifying lemons nearly impossible. Similar to how Chinese brands on Amazon have the same name for 100 different nearly identical items.
- mcphage 1y ago> thousands of skus for nearly identical products that made identifying lemons nearly impossible Also to prevent price-matching.
- nothercastle 1y agoThat too, tvs do that as well but at least it’s somewhat possible to compare and review them
- rubitxxx 1y agoThis is the dilemma: some things need regulation, but they need good regulation that evolves over time, and you can’t just throw money at that, you need good leadership to oversee it. Deleting it is not a solution.
- nothercastle 1y agoPart of it that allowing industries to essentially self regulate means consumer interest are never part of the regulation.
- graemep 1y ago> but industry groups didn’t allow that so now it’s going to die and everyone losses. The fact that "Industry groups" like a regulation is an indication that they have managed to turn it into a means to reduce competition.
- rco8786 1y agoThis is a great microcosm example of this admin’s whole strategy. There’s some issues with the current regulations. So instead of doing the work to fix the issues, they just abruptly cancel the entire program. Baby. Bath water.
- nothercastle 1y agoCanceling is easier than fixing, it may turn out to be easier to rebuild during the next admin than it would have been to fix so that’s one ray of sunshine in an otherwise bleak outcome.
- rco8786 1y agoYea, phoenix rising from the ashes or whatever. It's just kind of amazing how many people are convinced that "cancelling" is actually the "fix".
- mcphage 1y ago> during the next admin During the what?
- nothercastle 1y agoTrump isn’t seeking another term, he’s also quite old. There will be a next administration even with the most pessimistic outlook
- tomrod 1y agoCan't seek. Banned by Constitution.
- bryanlarsen 1y agoMany things that are currently happening are also banned by the constitution.
- chriskanan 1y agoMy dishwasher from the 1990s dried much better than the one I got in 2021, which required rinsing each dish after washing to get rid of the soap taste. It then broke after only 1.5 years. My new one is better, but still leaves dishes pretty wet and I still have to rinse a lot of cups to get rid of the soap residue.
- detourdog 1y agoThat is not related to energy star. This is the state of modern products. I have found that the price tier of well performing appliances usually has an above average price.
- cromwellian 1y agoNothing to do with energy star. Modern Bosch Dishwashers use less water, wash better, and dry better, than your old 1990s washers. In the same way that people think low-flow toilets are why their sh1t doesn't flush, instead of the proliferation of multi-ply super-thick toilet paper that are almost as bad as paper towels. It doesn't matter how much flow you have, if you flush a wad of cellulose that won't instantly dissolve like single-ply or thin-two-ply, you'll need to break out the augur. And really, if you don't have a Toto Washlet or Japanese toilet, you're missing out. You barely need any toilet paper at all, and don't walk around with fecal particles wiped against your skin all day.