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I havent seen anything about frequency in the article. Unless they control for that it doesnt feel like you should claim that weed is somehow safer. Of course y

I havent seen anything about frequency in the article. Unless they control for that it doesnt feel like you should claim that weed is somehow safer. Of course you will have less damage from smoking a few joints a day (which would be very heavy use) vs the standart amount of cigarettes a cigarette smoker smokes.

consp 1y ago
Isn't the "natural" reduction in frequency a factor which should not be accounted for as it might actually be the driving force behind it?
- mandmandam 1y ago
  There is a long-standing tradition in cannabis research of confusing the dose. See: Rodent studies using insane super-doses injected directly with the equivalent of 140 joints+ every day, Marinol vs cannabis, claiming 5% THC cannabis as "high dose" in research, studies citing 'potency increase' as proof of increasing risk without controlling for dose adjustments, driving impairment studies using blood levels as measurement, etc.
bdavbdav 1y ago
Is this not a similar argument to condoms / birth control effectiveness? Condoms are 100% effective if used properly and they don’t burst. The failure proportion is primarily misuse. You build in the misuse / other factors into the effectiveness rate.
- eru 1y ago
  If you want an even starker examples: abstinence is 100% effective, if 'used' according to protocol.
- AStonesThrow 1y ago
  You'd be surprised about artificial contraception. Sure, when used they can be highly effective to prevent pregnancy, but they also train people to do risky behavior. It's sort of like giving away free parachutes and plane rides to everyone. Sure, that support will encourage lots of skydiving. But eventually, isn't someone going to go up without a parachute, say "YOLO" and dive out anyway? The same thing happens with contracepting, promiscuous men and women: they become accustomed to using one another as objects and free, easy access to sex whenever. But when that contraception isn't readily available at hand, they're going ahead anyway. They're going to do it regardless, because it's the habit they're accustomed to now. So on balance, it's really been found that free access to artificial contraception tends to encourage and increase unplanned/unwanted pregnancies. And that's exactly why it's so plentiful, because the goal is the opposite of what you may think...
  - crtasm 1y ago
    You're saying it's a contraception conspiracy? Any sources for these findings would be appreciated.
    - AStonesThrow 1y ago
      https://naturalwomanhood.org/interview-abby-johnson-planned-parenthood-contraception-hormonal-birth-control-harms-risks-side-effects-092018/ https://naturalwomanhood.org/interview-abby-johnson-planned-... Abby Johnson: You can find different studies that say different things. One in Colorado said you give women contraception and abortion rates go down; other studies say that’s not true. What we do know for sure, according to Guttmacher themselves, Planned Parenthood’s own research arm, is that 54% of women who are having abortions are using contraception at the time when they get pregnant. So the idea that contraception is working for women and that it’s preventing abortion is not true. If it were, that number would not be 54%. > Sex is normal and healthy So is pregnancy and childbirth. Why administer drugs to disrupt normal, healthy biological processes? Absurd!
      - dttze 1y ago
        > She is also author of Unplanned: The Dramatic True Story of a Former Planned Parenthood Leader’s Eye-Opening Journey across the Life Line and founder of And Then There Were None, an organization that assists abortion-clinic workers seeking to transition out of the industry. Thanks for quoting some culture warrior clown, but they asked for real sources.
      - SavinMyLungz 1y ago
        Because people have a right to bodily autonomy. It's not absurd at all. What's absurd is the naturalism fallacy. You could say the same thing about building skyscrapers or treating cancer. Dying of cancer is a natural process of the body, why should anyone disrupt it? Absurd! It shouldn't surprise anyone that many people seeking abortions are using contraceptives - they didn't want to get pregnant, after all. Contraceptives are reliable but not infallible. Abortion happens everyday in a society of hundreds of millions, but contraceptives failing is rare. It's not really any more surprising than a handful of people getting struck by lightning every year, even if it's more morally and politically charged.

consp 1y ago

Isn't the "natural" reduction in frequency a factor which should not be accounted for as it might actually be the driving force behind it?

mandmandam 1y ago
There is a long-standing tradition in cannabis research of confusing the dose. See: Rodent studies using insane super-doses injected directly with the equivalent of 140 joints+ every day, Marinol vs cannabis, claiming 5% THC cannabis as "high dose" in research, studies citing 'potency increase' as proof of increasing risk without controlling for dose adjustments, driving impairment studies using blood levels as measurement, etc.

bdavbdav 1y ago

Is this not a similar argument to condoms / birth control effectiveness? Condoms are 100% effective if used properly and they don’t burst. The failure proportion is primarily misuse. You build in the misuse / other factors into the effectiveness rate.

eru 1y ago
If you want an even starker examples: abstinence is 100% effective, if 'used' according to protocol.
AStonesThrow 1y ago
You'd be surprised about artificial contraception. Sure, when used they can be highly effective to prevent pregnancy, but they also train people to do risky behavior. It's sort of like giving away free parachutes and plane rides to everyone. Sure, that support will encourage lots of skydiving. But eventually, isn't someone going to go up without a parachute, say "YOLO" and dive out anyway? The same thing happens with contracepting, promiscuous men and women: they become accustomed to using one another as objects and free, easy access to sex whenever. But when that contraception isn't readily available at hand, they're going ahead anyway. They're going to do it regardless, because it's the habit they're accustomed to now. So on balance, it's really been found that free access to artificial contraception tends to encourage and increase unplanned/unwanted pregnancies. And that's exactly why it's so plentiful, because the goal is the opposite of what you may think...
- crtasm 1y ago
  You're saying it's a contraception conspiracy? Any sources for these findings would be appreciated.
  - AStonesThrow 1y ago
    https://naturalwomanhood.org/interview-abby-johnson-planned-parenthood-contraception-hormonal-birth-control-harms-risks-side-effects-092018/ https://naturalwomanhood.org/interview-abby-johnson-planned-... Abby Johnson: You can find different studies that say different things. One in Colorado said you give women contraception and abortion rates go down; other studies say that’s not true. What we do know for sure, according to Guttmacher themselves, Planned Parenthood’s own research arm, is that 54% of women who are having abortions are using contraception at the time when they get pregnant. So the idea that contraception is working for women and that it’s preventing abortion is not true. If it were, that number would not be 54%. > Sex is normal and healthy So is pregnancy and childbirth. Why administer drugs to disrupt normal, healthy biological processes? Absurd!
    - dttze 1y ago
      > She is also author of Unplanned: The Dramatic True Story of a Former Planned Parenthood Leader’s Eye-Opening Journey across the Life Line and founder of And Then There Were None, an organization that assists abortion-clinic workers seeking to transition out of the industry. Thanks for quoting some culture warrior clown, but they asked for real sources.
    - SavinMyLungz 1y ago
      Because people have a right to bodily autonomy. It's not absurd at all. What's absurd is the naturalism fallacy. You could say the same thing about building skyscrapers or treating cancer. Dying of cancer is a natural process of the body, why should anyone disrupt it? Absurd! It shouldn't surprise anyone that many people seeking abortions are using contraceptives - they didn't want to get pregnant, after all. Contraceptives are reliable but not infallible. Abortion happens everyday in a society of hundreds of millions, but contraceptives failing is rare. It's not really any more surprising than a handful of people getting struck by lightning every year, even if it's more morally and politically charged.