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In praise of grobi for auto-configuring X11 monitors
- TacticalCoder 1y ago[dead]
- fn-mote 1y agoAuthor doesn’t even compare it to a second solution. Interesting to know, but I just use a hot key to attempt reconfiguration if something goes wrong. Works for me even if it’s not a sign Linux is ready for non-technical users.
- secure 1y agoYes, I didn’t want to analyze and compare different solutions, I just wanted to share the joy of finding a solution that works well for me. Using hot keys is nice, but hot keys (intentionally) don’t work while my screen is locked. I contemplated mapping an xrandr call onto a smart button (Shelly Button 1, essentially triggering an HTTP request), but in the end grobi has the same effect and is even more convenient than having to press buttons.
- wokkel 1y agoMy windows laptop disconnects my monitor sometimes seemingly randomly. A sign that windows is not ready for non-technical users?
- JCattheATM 1y agoHardly, given the mountain of evidence to the contrary.
- conception 1y agoYou’ve never had to support windows non-technical end users I see.
- JCattheATM 1y agoThat's a silly assumption, and a silly point. By that reasoning, no OS is suitable for non technical users.
- aaplok 1y ago> By that reasoning, no OS is suitable for non technical users. That was the point GP was trying to make (a bit snarkily and sarcastically) in response to the argument that Linux is not suitable for nontechnical users.
- JCattheATM 1y agoRight, but GP is dead wrong. Windows and MacOS are far more suitable for non technical users on average. Mint is great for people that have standard hardware and need nothing more than a browser, but it's still not on par with the big two.
- aaplok 1y agoThat Linux is less accessible than windows or MacOS may be true (I personally agree with you about windows, less so about macOS), but if an argument is not acceptable about windows, it can't be accepted about Linux either. If both OSs seem to suffer from difficult-to-fix issues when turning monitors on and off, that can't be the reason why Windows is more non-tech friendly. I think that this is the bulk of the argument here.
- JCattheATM 1y ago> but if an argument is not acceptable about windows, it can't be accepted about Linux either. I I think it can, because even if there is an issue on Windows, it's likely still going to be much easier to resolve than on Linux, e.g. no editing files, no command prompt, etc.
- justinrubek 1y agoI can't really agree with that on windows. When I've had to use it, I've always had gnarly issues that I don't think I'd be able to deal with if I wasn't knowledgeable about computers. Sometimes, even then, basic functionality just doesn't work at all. It's further complicated by the software not giving proper insight into what is going wrong so as to make it impossible to deal with.
- hulitu 1y ago> A sign that windows is not ready for non-technical users? No, just normal Microsoft prioritizing features over fixing bugs. I have a "shit_win_bugs" bookmarks folder which is growing in size every 1-2 months.
- raverbashing 1y agoSo once again you need to DYI your monitor configuration for Linux that for some reason works out-of-the-box pretty much in Windows and MacOSX sigh And that's for X11, which was built in a 70s model while Wayland leisurely moves forward
- secure 1y agoThe Dell UP3218K monitor I describe does not work “out of the box” on any OS. Even finding a GPU that can drive it at all is tricky.
- p_l 1y agoIt should work with tiled output, so long as a) it reports tiled geometry in DisplayID b) the driver handles it right. Then it should show up as single display. It's also how Apple XDR display presents itself to MacOS (two DisplayPort 1.4 tunnels over USB4, tiled layout in DisplayID). I suspect it's possible that it doesn't have a valid tiled geometry block, but that's something that was already handled right when first 4k displays landed, so...
- ikurei 1y agoI use both Linux and Mac, and in my experience Mac's handling of multi-monitor setups and, specially, of them changing, is only slightly better than Linux's. For most situations you do not need to do anything difficult to plug any number of monitors to a Linux computer with a modern, full-featured distro, other than arranging them. Mac does a better job of remembering your setup and adapting to a monitor disappearing, but it's not that much better. I'm still not sure I understand why the author needed this tool, may be because they have more than one computer plugged into the same monitor?
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- modzu 1y agoim sensitive to coil whine and i hear it everywhere : computers, light bulbs, phone chargers, you name it and if im in the same room as electronics i hear a high pitched squealing that others seem not to notice or care about. its inescapable and it sucks
- bobmcnamara 1y agoI used to be. One high speed camera I could tell the frame rate consistency from the flash recharge whine. But one day a young engineer asked if I could hear my circuit when the load changed. I could not. I have become what I hated. The cycle continues.
- snthd 1y ago>the monitor draws 30W even in standby That's absurd. There are regulations on standby power. https://dl.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_electronics_accessories/esuprt_electronics_accessories_monitors/dell-up3218k-monitor_user's-guide_en-us.pdf https://dl.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_electronics_... >Power Consumption >0.2 W (Off Mode) >0.3 W (Standby Mode) Doesn't seem to be an isolated case: https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/monitors/up3216q-drawing-23-watts-in-standby/647f84f4f4ccf8a8de3da59b https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/monitors/up3... >UP3216Q, drawing 23 watts in Standby? (2019). I guess a takeaway from OP is to measure your actual standby power draw.
- arghwhat 1y agoSo the solution is to complain and get a replacement unit it seems.
- snthd 1y agoMaybe the behaviour is triggered by displayport cables with pin 20 connected. http://monitorinsider.com/displayport/dp_pin20_controversy.html http://monitorinsider.com/displayport/dp_pin20_controversy.h... https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000132935/the-20th-pin-is-not-wired-on-dell-displayport-cables https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000132935/the-20th-...
- out-of-ideas 1y agoi hope more overlapping regulations than what energy star covered
- bobmcnamara 1y agoEnergy star is going away.
- arghwhat 1y ago> Does grobi work on Wayland? See kanshi, which has a similar rule matching approach.
- bitwize 1y ago[flagged]
- anthk 1y agoWe should be using Rio then?
- bitwize 1y agoI wish. Unfortunately, most operating systems do not have the advanced file system malarkey that Plan 9 does, which is kinda necessary for a window system like rio to work well.
- alabastervlog 1y agoOr: stable and finished.
- rollcat 1y agoEither that, or a dead end. X11 stayed afloat thanks to the endless extensions, in particular Xcomposite. Windows and OSX have had full modern graphics stacks for 20-25 years, by default. OSX in particular has provided backwards compatibility in a similar fashion as XWayland does (via Carbon). Every developer who cared about X11 has moved on; it receives little to no maintenance. We already have hardware/software where X11 is entirely unsupported. It's likely we'll see more in the future.
- bitwize 1y agoDisplay tech keeps evolving. Proper scaling on HiDPI displays, HDR -- these are things X just doesn't (and will never) have support for because of its architecture. Wayland is the path forward. ALL of the developers who know anything about the display stack have committed to developing for Wayland and deprecating X.
- ryao 1y agoI find the Xorg X11 server works just fine with HiDPI displays, while Wayland has issues (mainly just zoom). Alan Coopersmith is not on the Wayland bandwagon as far as I know. We might get HDR from the Xorg X11 server one day. Once it is in place for everything else, we would just need a X11 extension to hook all of that into X11.