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I'm a Zulip fan (and poster of this story), so you can take this with a grain of salt if you want. 1. Regarding "minimal costs" of notifications, the project l

I'm a Zulip fan (and poster of this story), so you can take this with a grain of salt if you want. 1. Regarding "minimal costs" of notifications, the project lead said in an HN comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38661960 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38661960) from when this was announced, "The problem statement is not that we need to fund the costs of delivering push notifications. We need to fund the costs of building Zulip -- the server, apps for every platform, support for a vast range of different self-hosted configurations, etc." That was on the announcement thread on HN, so you can find more from him and other commenters there. 2. They offer free plans (for the app/service itself, and also just notifications if you're self-hosted) for lots of non-commercial organizations (including open source projects and communities). Discounts for larger non-profits and others. The info is prominent on their pricing page: https://zulip.com/plans/ https://zulip.com/plans/ 3. There's a discounted plan for just mobile notifications. Here's their original announcement post, with an update linked to from the top: https://blog.zulip.com/2023/12/15/new-plans-for-self-hosted-customers/ https://blog.zulip.com/2023/12/15/new-plans-for-self-hosted-...

throwaway81523 1y ago
Ok I'm not sure I understand the issue here. I'm not an Android whiz but I thought FCM was inherently invasive, so if I ran Zulip from a security and privacy perspective, I'd want to self-host it including running my own notification server. It doesn't bother me at all if Zulip charges people to use their hosted plans, and I'm suspicious of the existence of a gratis one ("if you're not the customer..."). I guess though that an openpush/unifiedpush(?) client is another thing to install on the phone though. I probably care more about the web version than the mobile apps. I've been using nextcloud talk but it's kind of awful.

throwaway81523 1y ago

Ok I'm not sure I understand the issue here. I'm not an Android whiz but I thought FCM was inherently invasive, so if I ran Zulip from a security and privacy perspective, I'd want to self-host it including running my own notification server. It doesn't bother me at all if Zulip charges people to use their hosted plans, and I'm suspicious of the existence of a gratis one ("if you're not the customer..."). I guess though that an openpush/unifiedpush(?) client is another thing to install on the phone though. I probably care more about the web version than the mobile apps. I've been using nextcloud talk but it's kind of awful.