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I think you are missing a bunch, and the average one of those probably has 10x the grad students of a US one, working on in average ten times as important thing

I think you are missing a bunch, and the average one of those probably has 10x the grad students of a US one, working on in average ten times as important things. (And then frankly half the papers from these vaunted US institutions have author lists that could equally be from Wuhan or Peking university, and a bunch of those will inevitably return to professorships in their native country, not like anyone is funding professors in the US)

insane_dreamer 1y ago
Unless they’ve gotten a lot better in the past decade I’m not missing a bunch. But yes in terms of sheer quantity of graduates and and research papers China wins out but what matters is the quality. The US has problems with lousy and even outright false papers but in China it’s endemic. And to your point, the reason people come to the US from Peking or Tsinghua to do their pHd or postdoc is because of the high quality research, which is why cutting it is so detrimental