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> several independent actions Trump has taken that are all inexplicably sympathetic to Russian interests Is it really inexplicable though? Or is it more plausi

> several independent actions Trump has taken that are all inexplicably sympathetic to Russian interests Is it really inexplicable though? Or is it more plausible that you simply don't understand the motives, and probably haven't really tried?

Smeevy 1y ago
You obviously understand how these actions benefit the country of which Donald Trump is the President. Why don't you explain it to the rest of the class?
- Ray20 1y ago
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  - Smeevy 1y ago
    You just said a lot of things that are easily disproven. >war being waged in an unknown place It's Ukraine. They've been an ally in a strategic location for decades. Just because you can't find it on a map doesn't mean I can't. >for an unknown reason They were invaded by Russia. >But funding the dictator Zelensky so that he can capture people who do not want to fight for him and send them to certain death in storm troop units is unreasonable behavior, and from a Christian point of view, even disgusting. Thanks, comrade.
    - Ray20 1y ago
      >They've been an ally in a strategic location for decades. Ally in what? Typical gaslighting. Before the invasion, no one could find Ukraine on a map and no one considered it an ally (if they even knew it existed). To such extent that many Ukrainians in the USA before 2014, when introducing themselves, often said they were from Russia - just to avoid having to explain what is Ukraine. >They were invaded by Russia. Yes. But what is the war being fought for? What is the end game? Because without an answer to this question, any support for Ukraine looks like warmongering. And for some reason, no one answers it, making the whole situation look like the war is being waged to busificate and kill all Ukrainian men (except for the privileged relatives of officials who successfully left the country despite the ban).
      - watersb 1y ago
        >> They were invaded by Russia. > Yes. But what is the war being fought for? Someone breaks into your home. Kills family members. They're still coming in. You tell your kids to get behind you. Then you turn to face the invader. That's what this war is being fought for.
        Ray20 1y ago
        >You tell your kids to get behind you. Rather, you hide behind your children, the invaders scream that they only want your money, but you kick the children closer to the attackers so that they slow them down at the cost of their lives, while simultaneously locking your front door and barricading the windows so that the children cannot escape from the house instead of dying at the hands of the attackers, as you want. The children are crying, screaming that they don't want to die, asking you to let them go. But you are adamant: they must die for you. Why? For what? There is no answer. Their job is to die, not to ask questions, and if they don't want to die at the hands of invaders, they will die at your own hand.
        Smeevy 1y ago
        Poor, poor Russia. They're the real victims in all of this.
        coliveira 1y ago
        Funny that people don't want to have this perspective in the case of Gaza.
kelnos 1y ago
Well, we can't understand the motives, because Trump won't tell us, and even if he did, it's not like we shouldn't be skeptical of whatever he might say. I do think another plausible explanation is that Trump has dictator envy and idolizes Putin, and so he tries to emulate him and do things that would make him happy. But it's not clear how far something like that would go. I think it's reasonable to suspect that Putin has something that he can use as leverage over Trump, but that's of course near-impossible to prove at this point.

Smeevy 1y ago

You obviously understand how these actions benefit the country of which Donald Trump is the President. Why don't you explain it to the rest of the class?

Ray20 1y ago
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- Smeevy 1y ago
  You just said a lot of things that are easily disproven. >war being waged in an unknown place It's Ukraine. They've been an ally in a strategic location for decades. Just because you can't find it on a map doesn't mean I can't. >for an unknown reason They were invaded by Russia. >But funding the dictator Zelensky so that he can capture people who do not want to fight for him and send them to certain death in storm troop units is unreasonable behavior, and from a Christian point of view, even disgusting. Thanks, comrade.
  - Ray20 1y ago
    >They've been an ally in a strategic location for decades. Ally in what? Typical gaslighting. Before the invasion, no one could find Ukraine on a map and no one considered it an ally (if they even knew it existed). To such extent that many Ukrainians in the USA before 2014, when introducing themselves, often said they were from Russia - just to avoid having to explain what is Ukraine. >They were invaded by Russia. Yes. But what is the war being fought for? What is the end game? Because without an answer to this question, any support for Ukraine looks like warmongering. And for some reason, no one answers it, making the whole situation look like the war is being waged to busificate and kill all Ukrainian men (except for the privileged relatives of officials who successfully left the country despite the ban).
    - watersb 1y ago
      >> They were invaded by Russia. > Yes. But what is the war being fought for? Someone breaks into your home. Kills family members. They're still coming in. You tell your kids to get behind you. Then you turn to face the invader. That's what this war is being fought for.
      - Ray20 1y ago
        >You tell your kids to get behind you. Rather, you hide behind your children, the invaders scream that they only want your money, but you kick the children closer to the attackers so that they slow them down at the cost of their lives, while simultaneously locking your front door and barricading the windows so that the children cannot escape from the house instead of dying at the hands of the attackers, as you want. The children are crying, screaming that they don't want to die, asking you to let them go. But you are adamant: they must die for you. Why? For what? There is no answer. Their job is to die, not to ask questions, and if they don't want to die at the hands of invaders, they will die at your own hand.
        Smeevy 1y ago
        Poor, poor Russia. They're the real victims in all of this.
      - coliveira 1y ago
        Funny that people don't want to have this perspective in the case of Gaza.

kelnos 1y ago

Well, we can't understand the motives, because Trump won't tell us, and even if he did, it's not like we shouldn't be skeptical of whatever he might say. I do think another plausible explanation is that Trump has dictator envy and idolizes Putin, and so he tries to emulate him and do things that would make him happy. But it's not clear how far something like that would go. I think it's reasonable to suspect that Putin has something that he can use as leverage over Trump, but that's of course near-impossible to prove at this point.