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Every DEI program I've been involved in has had target quotas which put pressure on hiring managers to reach those quotas, but still "hire on merit". And then t

Every DEI program I've been involved in has had target quotas which put pressure on hiring managers to reach those quotas, but still "hire on merit". And then they hire a viz minority engineer who thinks translating a js file to python means renaming the file extension.

vkou 1y ago
I'm glad you took the time to point that out, because, as we all know, in the history of the universe, they have never made a non-viz minority hire who also happens to be completely incapable of doing the job. --- When a viz-minority hire sucks, it's clearly DEI's fault, we shout from the rooftops. When a non-minority hire sucks, crickets.
- teraflop 1y ago
  XKCD aptly summarized this 17 years ago: https://xkcd.com/385/ https://xkcd.com/385/
- userbinator 1y ago
  Guess what happened to quality around the time all the DEI stuff started shooting up in popularity around a decade ago? Everyone sees it. Everyone experiences it. No one wanted to talk about it, until things reached a breaking point.
  - vkou 1y ago
    You're going to have to make a much better argument of connecting the dots if you're going to blame the enshittification of everything on... Black people and women. None of you folks are ever 'afraid of talking about it', because any time this subject comes up, we see a full broadsides of tenuous, frequently mask-off racist nonsense. Meanwhile, the champions leading the fight against the DEI boogieman have a truly amazing knack for both being, and appointing some of the most ignorant, least qualified individuals to ever hold positions of power... And are now speed-running their way through breaking everything.
    - userbinator 1y ago
      Just look at how the dates line up. Before DEI, minorities were hired because they're actually competent. Now they're there because of who they are and not what they can do. Things need to get worse before they get better.
standardUser 1y ago
You are either lying about hard-number racial/gender quotas or you were working for companies that were flagrantly breaking the law. Did you whistle blow? You see, it doesn't add up, because usually when a company breaks the law so blatantly, it does so in crafty, shady ways intended to make more money, not in an attempt to create diversity that does nothing for the bottom line while also threatening the very existence of the firm.
- asdsadasdasd123 1y ago
  Ah yes, I'm going to whistle blow and ruin my career over something "illegal" that every university has been doing for the past 50 years. Im perplexed that you find this surprising at all. This stuff happened openly in all hands with pie charts of the existing gender and racial makeup, and the target makeup with struggle session-like questions of why our engineering department doesn't have 50% woman. None of this is inconsistent if the decision makers at the company think that any deviation in demographics is a sign of institutional racism.
  - beej71 1y ago
    You can anonymously whistle-blow. Why not do that?
  - standardUser 1y ago
    University admittance and workplace hiring are different issues under the law. It sounds like you are purposefully conflating the issue to avoid acknowledging the logical flaws in your original claims.
- monero-xmr 1y ago
  The gaslighting here post-Trump is insane. I’m not going to pretend that “no white or Asian males” wasn’t standard policy during the DEI hysteria. Pretending DEI was “just all about merit!” is so absurdly revisionist. Pleaseeee
  - standardUser 1y ago
hitekker 1y ago
I was a hiring manager and saw this happen firsthand. So much pressure to hire people with the right skin color or gender, even if they outright failed an interview. Some of the ones who were fast-tracked later struggled and then got fired. One of them even stole the company laptop. The founder of TripleByte observed how companies lied about their hiring from the outside: https://x.com/jesslivingston/status/1884652626467303560 https://x.com/jesslivingston/status/1884652626467303560

vkou 1y ago

I'm glad you took the time to point that out, because, as we all know, in the history of the universe, they have never made a non-viz minority hire who also happens to be completely incapable of doing the job. --- When a viz-minority hire sucks, it's clearly DEI's fault, we shout from the rooftops. When a non-minority hire sucks, crickets.

teraflop 1y ago
XKCD aptly summarized this 17 years ago: https://xkcd.com/385/ https://xkcd.com/385/
userbinator 1y ago
Guess what happened to quality around the time all the DEI stuff started shooting up in popularity around a decade ago? Everyone sees it. Everyone experiences it. No one wanted to talk about it, until things reached a breaking point.
- vkou 1y ago
  You're going to have to make a much better argument of connecting the dots if you're going to blame the enshittification of everything on... Black people and women. None of you folks are ever 'afraid of talking about it', because any time this subject comes up, we see a full broadsides of tenuous, frequently mask-off racist nonsense. Meanwhile, the champions leading the fight against the DEI boogieman have a truly amazing knack for both being, and appointing some of the most ignorant, least qualified individuals to ever hold positions of power... And are now speed-running their way through breaking everything.
  - userbinator 1y ago
    Just look at how the dates line up. Before DEI, minorities were hired because they're actually competent. Now they're there because of who they are and not what they can do. Things need to get worse before they get better.

standardUser 1y ago

You are either lying about hard-number racial/gender quotas or you were working for companies that were flagrantly breaking the law. Did you whistle blow? You see, it doesn't add up, because usually when a company breaks the law so blatantly, it does so in crafty, shady ways intended to make more money, not in an attempt to create diversity that does nothing for the bottom line while also threatening the very existence of the firm.

asdsadasdasd123 1y ago
Ah yes, I'm going to whistle blow and ruin my career over something "illegal" that every university has been doing for the past 50 years. Im perplexed that you find this surprising at all. This stuff happened openly in all hands with pie charts of the existing gender and racial makeup, and the target makeup with struggle session-like questions of why our engineering department doesn't have 50% woman. None of this is inconsistent if the decision makers at the company think that any deviation in demographics is a sign of institutional racism.
- beej71 1y ago
  You can anonymously whistle-blow. Why not do that?
- standardUser 1y ago
  University admittance and workplace hiring are different issues under the law. It sounds like you are purposefully conflating the issue to avoid acknowledging the logical flaws in your original claims.
monero-xmr 1y ago
The gaslighting here post-Trump is insane. I’m not going to pretend that “no white or Asian males” wasn’t standard policy during the DEI hysteria. Pretending DEI was “just all about merit!” is so absurdly revisionist. Pleaseeee
- standardUser 1y ago

hitekker 1y ago

I was a hiring manager and saw this happen firsthand. So much pressure to hire people with the right skin color or gender, even if they outright failed an interview. Some of the ones who were fast-tracked later struggled and then got fired. One of them even stole the company laptop. The founder of TripleByte observed how companies lied about their hiring from the outside: https://x.com/jesslivingston/status/1884652626467303560 https://x.com/jesslivingston/status/1884652626467303560