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Every DEI program I've ever been involved in has been 100% about selecting people _purely_ on merit. Not race, not gender, not whether or not they're trans. The

by beej71 1y ago

Every DEI program I've ever been involved in has been 100% about selecting people _purely_ on merit. Not race, not gender, not whether or not they're trans. The DEI trainings are about completely ignoring those factors when hiring. I'm curious what they call your trainings on the matter.

fallingknife 1y ago
Every large company I have ever worked for has had noticeably lower standards for women and minorities (except for Asians of course because fuck them in particular). They will never say it in the trainings because they know it's illegal. They will never tell anyone anything except for "don't discriminate" but then they will incentivize discrimination by things like "diversity goals" (quotas) and setting recruiter bonuses higher when they bring in favored "victim" groups. Of course if they set higher bonuses for hiring white people the courts would immediately smack them down for discrimination, but it's apparently "legal" as long as - 1. it's implicit, 2. you deny it exists, and 3. it favors a group that the liberals approve of.
- baggy_trough 1y ago
  For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law.
- electriclove 1y ago
  This is the unspoken, unadmitted truth of what has been going on. Too bad you are getting downvoted for providing perspective
- nielsbot 1y ago
  > Of course if they set higher bonuses for hiring white people Are you saying that (straight) (white) (men) have not had (nor continue to enjoy) unfair advantages in our society? And is that not an injustice? Saying "racism is bad" is correct but only the first step. Step two is recognizing the accumulated results of long-standing historical (and continuing, frankly) discrimination against minority groups and working to right that injustice. But would like to hear your perspective.
  - fallingknife 1y ago
    How is any of that relevant? Our civil rights laws ban racial discrimination. If you think that racial discrimination should be permitted in one direction then argue that our civil rights laws should be amended to allow it. But don't argue that it is legal now or that it isn't happening.
asdsadasdasd123 1y ago
Every DEI program I've been involved in has had target quotas which put pressure on hiring managers to reach those quotas, but still "hire on merit". And then they hire a viz minority engineer who thinks translating a js file to python means renaming the file extension.
- vkou 1y ago
  I'm glad you took the time to point that out, because, as we all know, in the history of the universe, they have never made a non-viz minority hire who also happens to be completely incapable of doing the job. --- When a viz-minority hire sucks, it's clearly DEI's fault, we shout from the rooftops. When a non-minority hire sucks, crickets.
  - teraflop 1y ago
    XKCD aptly summarized this 17 years ago: https://xkcd.com/385/ https://xkcd.com/385/
  - userbinator 1y ago
    Guess what happened to quality around the time all the DEI stuff started shooting up in popularity around a decade ago? Everyone sees it. Everyone experiences it. No one wanted to talk about it, until things reached a breaking point.
    - vkou 1y ago
      You're going to have to make a much better argument of connecting the dots if you're going to blame the enshittification of everything on... Black people and women. None of you folks are ever 'afraid of talking about it', because any time this subject comes up, we see a full broadsides of tenuous, frequently mask-off racist nonsense. Meanwhile, the champions leading the fight against the DEI boogieman have a truly amazing knack for both being, and appointing some of the most ignorant, least qualified individuals to ever hold positions of power... And are now speed-running their way through breaking everything.
moralestapia 1y ago
Interesting, you have a concrete example of any of those programs you mention?
pelagicAustral 1y ago
IF they are so into selecting people based on merit, why do they want to know who/what am I having sex with, what do I think I am, what race I am, did my parents went to college, etc? Have you tried to apply for a job online in the last 10 years?
- intermerda 1y ago
  I have applied for jobs online in the last 10 years. I was never asked who/what I was having sex with, what do I think I am (??), or where my parents went to college. I was asked about my race, presumably to comply with anti-discrimination laws. I always had the option of refusing to disclose. It sounds like you actually haven't applied to jobs in the last 10 years or have been applying to some seriously messed up places.
magila 1y ago
My experience is that discrimination in hiring is never openly advocated for obvious reasons. Instead you get what could be called "stochastic discrimination" where there is pressure to "increase diversity" without elaboration on how that should be achieved in the face of a not so diverse pool of qualified candidates.

by beej71 1y ago

fallingknife 1y ago

Every large company I have ever worked for has had noticeably lower standards for women and minorities (except for Asians of course because fuck them in particular). They will never say it in the trainings because they know it's illegal. They will never tell anyone anything except for "don't discriminate" but then they will incentivize discrimination by things like "diversity goals" (quotas) and setting recruiter bonuses higher when they bring in favored "victim" groups. Of course if they set higher bonuses for hiring white people the courts would immediately smack them down for discrimination, but it's apparently "legal" as long as - 1. it's implicit, 2. you deny it exists, and 3. it favors a group that the liberals approve of.

baggy_trough 1y ago
For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law.
electriclove 1y ago
This is the unspoken, unadmitted truth of what has been going on. Too bad you are getting downvoted for providing perspective
nielsbot 1y ago
> Of course if they set higher bonuses for hiring white people Are you saying that (straight) (white) (men) have not had (nor continue to enjoy) unfair advantages in our society? And is that not an injustice? Saying "racism is bad" is correct but only the first step. Step two is recognizing the accumulated results of long-standing historical (and continuing, frankly) discrimination against minority groups and working to right that injustice. But would like to hear your perspective.
- fallingknife 1y ago
  How is any of that relevant? Our civil rights laws ban racial discrimination. If you think that racial discrimination should be permitted in one direction then argue that our civil rights laws should be amended to allow it. But don't argue that it is legal now or that it isn't happening.

asdsadasdasd123 1y ago

Every DEI program I've been involved in has had target quotas which put pressure on hiring managers to reach those quotas, but still "hire on merit". And then they hire a viz minority engineer who thinks translating a js file to python means renaming the file extension.

vkou 1y ago
I'm glad you took the time to point that out, because, as we all know, in the history of the universe, they have never made a non-viz minority hire who also happens to be completely incapable of doing the job. --- When a viz-minority hire sucks, it's clearly DEI's fault, we shout from the rooftops. When a non-minority hire sucks, crickets.
- teraflop 1y ago
  XKCD aptly summarized this 17 years ago: https://xkcd.com/385/ https://xkcd.com/385/
- userbinator 1y ago
  Guess what happened to quality around the time all the DEI stuff started shooting up in popularity around a decade ago? Everyone sees it. Everyone experiences it. No one wanted to talk about it, until things reached a breaking point.
  - vkou 1y ago
    You're going to have to make a much better argument of connecting the dots if you're going to blame the enshittification of everything on... Black people and women. None of you folks are ever 'afraid of talking about it', because any time this subject comes up, we see a full broadsides of tenuous, frequently mask-off racist nonsense. Meanwhile, the champions leading the fight against the DEI boogieman have a truly amazing knack for both being, and appointing some of the most ignorant, least qualified individuals to ever hold positions of power... And are now speed-running their way through breaking everything.

moralestapia 1y ago

Interesting, you have a concrete example of any of those programs you mention?

pelagicAustral 1y ago

IF they are so into selecting people based on merit, why do they want to know who/what am I having sex with, what do I think I am, what race I am, did my parents went to college, etc? Have you tried to apply for a job online in the last 10 years?

intermerda 1y ago
I have applied for jobs online in the last 10 years. I was never asked who/what I was having sex with, what do I think I am (??), or where my parents went to college. I was asked about my race, presumably to comply with anti-discrimination laws. I always had the option of refusing to disclose. It sounds like you actually haven't applied to jobs in the last 10 years or have been applying to some seriously messed up places.

magila 1y ago

My experience is that discrimination in hiring is never openly advocated for obvious reasons. Instead you get what could be called "stochastic discrimination" where there is pressure to "increase diversity" without elaboration on how that should be achieved in the face of a not so diverse pool of qualified candidates.