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I think the problem here is that there isn't just one way in which Donald Trump is unduly influenced by Russia in ways that are difficult to explain. I can unde

by Smeevy 1y ago

I think the problem here is that there isn't just one way in which Donald Trump is unduly influenced by Russia in ways that are difficult to explain. I can understand being skeptical, but there's several independent actions Trump has taken that are all inexplicably sympathetic to Russian interests. Just some quick examples: * Recommending American de-nuclearization while stating that Russia is no longer a threat to America. * Dismantling cybersecurity programs that are intended to identify and counter Russian hacking efforts. * Peace negotiations with Ukraine and Russia that require no concessions made by Russia. All of these actions are being taken despite polling poorly with Americans. You could say that none of these definitively proves that there is Russian leverage over Trump and you would be technically correct. The flip side of that coin is that you also can't explain why these actions are in America's best interest.

coliveira 1y ago
You forget that Trump's enemies are all married to this narrative of Trump as Russian asset. So I'm very clear that he will try to destroy as many as these people as possible during his second term. This includes all the people pushing support for Ukraine, which is seen as a Biden project. It has nothing to do with helping Russia and more with his personal preservation in power.
- philipwhiuk 1y ago
  > Trump's enemies Do you mean political rivals or do you have actual evidence the Democratic party is trying to kill him.
  - naasking 1y ago
    You don't have to be murderous to be an enemy. They clearly want to throw him in prison, so isn't that enough for someone in that position to call them enemies?
  - shnock 1y ago
    The definition of "enemy" is not limited to "people that are trying to kill you"
- Smeevy 1y ago
  Respectfully, you're chalking a lot of this administration's questionable behavior that consistently benefits Russia up to temporarily aligned goals based on his fragile ego and fear of rightful imprisonment. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but that is an awful lot of accidental benefit for Russia and precious few others. Far too much for my tastes.
naasking 1y ago
> several independent actions Trump has taken that are all inexplicably sympathetic to Russian interests Is it really inexplicable though? Or is it more plausible that you simply don't understand the motives, and probably haven't really tried?
- Smeevy 1y ago
  You obviously understand how these actions benefit the country of which Donald Trump is the President. Why don't you explain it to the rest of the class?
  - Ray20 1y ago
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    - Smeevy 1y ago
      You just said a lot of things that are easily disproven. >war being waged in an unknown place It's Ukraine. They've been an ally in a strategic location for decades. Just because you can't find it on a map doesn't mean I can't. >for an unknown reason They were invaded by Russia. >But funding the dictator Zelensky so that he can capture people who do not want to fight for him and send them to certain death in storm troop units is unreasonable behavior, and from a Christian point of view, even disgusting. Thanks, comrade.
      - Ray20 1y ago
        >They've been an ally in a strategic location for decades. Ally in what? Typical gaslighting. Before the invasion, no one could find Ukraine on a map and no one considered it an ally (if they even knew it existed). To such extent that many Ukrainians in the USA before 2014, when introducing themselves, often said they were from Russia - just to avoid having to explain what is Ukraine. >They were invaded by Russia. Yes. But what is the war being fought for? What is the end game? Because without an answer to this question, any support for Ukraine looks like warmongering. And for some reason, no one answers it, making the whole situation look like the war is being waged to busificate and kill all Ukrainian men (except for the privileged relatives of officials who successfully left the country despite the ban).

by Smeevy 1y ago

coliveira 1y ago

You forget that Trump's enemies are all married to this narrative of Trump as Russian asset. So I'm very clear that he will try to destroy as many as these people as possible during his second term. This includes all the people pushing support for Ukraine, which is seen as a Biden project. It has nothing to do with helping Russia and more with his personal preservation in power.

philipwhiuk 1y ago
> Trump's enemies Do you mean political rivals or do you have actual evidence the Democratic party is trying to kill him.
- naasking 1y ago
  You don't have to be murderous to be an enemy. They clearly want to throw him in prison, so isn't that enough for someone in that position to call them enemies?
- shnock 1y ago
  The definition of "enemy" is not limited to "people that are trying to kill you"
Smeevy 1y ago
Respectfully, you're chalking a lot of this administration's questionable behavior that consistently benefits Russia up to temporarily aligned goals based on his fragile ego and fear of rightful imprisonment. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but that is an awful lot of accidental benefit for Russia and precious few others. Far too much for my tastes.

naasking 1y ago

> several independent actions Trump has taken that are all inexplicably sympathetic to Russian interests Is it really inexplicable though? Or is it more plausible that you simply don't understand the motives, and probably haven't really tried?

Smeevy 1y ago
You obviously understand how these actions benefit the country of which Donald Trump is the President. Why don't you explain it to the rest of the class?
- Ray20 1y ago
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  - Smeevy 1y ago
    You just said a lot of things that are easily disproven. >war being waged in an unknown place It's Ukraine. They've been an ally in a strategic location for decades. Just because you can't find it on a map doesn't mean I can't. >for an unknown reason They were invaded by Russia. >But funding the dictator Zelensky so that he can capture people who do not want to fight for him and send them to certain death in storm troop units is unreasonable behavior, and from a Christian point of view, even disgusting. Thanks, comrade.
    - Ray20 1y ago
      >They've been an ally in a strategic location for decades. Ally in what? Typical gaslighting. Before the invasion, no one could find Ukraine on a map and no one considered it an ally (if they even knew it existed). To such extent that many Ukrainians in the USA before 2014, when introducing themselves, often said they were from Russia - just to avoid having to explain what is Ukraine. >They were invaded by Russia. Yes. But what is the war being fought for? What is the end game? Because without an answer to this question, any support for Ukraine looks like warmongering. And for some reason, no one answers it, making the whole situation look like the war is being waged to busificate and kill all Ukrainian men (except for the privileged relatives of officials who successfully left the country despite the ban).