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Because they don't have full self driving cars yet?

DistractionRect 1y ago
Well, I'd understand why it's difficult to extend to nationwide or even statewide just because of all the variations in road/driving conditions. So I can get how FSD never got certified at either scale. However, given their experience and plethora of data collected, I would have expected they'd be among the first get robotaxis in select cities. Idk, just struck me as odd is all. I figured I'd tee off this comment because someone might have an more informed insight into the why of it.
- shkkmo 1y ago
  Tesla has been working on improving a level 2 system that works everywhere while Waynlmo has been working on expanding the capabilities and coverage of their level 4 system that works in limited areas and requires detailed mapping. Tesla has yet to get good enough to achieve level 4 so they can't actually run a robotaxi yet. Tesla's bet is that if they can reach level 4 with their approach, they'll be able to roll out robotaxis much more widely than Waymo can. So far, the bet has not paid off and Tesla needs it to pay off before Waymo's slower rollout gets too far ahead.
  - robertlagrant 1y ago
    Maybe they need a non-software upgrade that adds a bit more GPU power for robotaxi duties.
brandonagr2 1y ago
What do you call what this tesla is doing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQir90MktRc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQir90MktRc Just because it's supervised doesn't mean its not self driving
- quickthrowman 1y ago
  You left out the key word in that phrase, “full”. Tesla cars have autonomous driving features that require a human in the driver seat to take over in case the autonomous features shut off. That’s not “full self driving”.
- InitialLastName 1y ago
  There's a word in GP's post that you elided. "Full" means a human doesn't need to be supervising, and it works outside of the heavily mapped and stable conditions of LA.
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  Let me know when "FSD" can navigate this intersection in my state capital: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q3VPJvJ6WwXe3gdZ7 https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q3VPJvJ6WwXe3gdZ7 Four lanes, left to right: straight+left, right turn only, concrete divider, right turn only, right turn only. Note that there are only two lanes when you turn right, so you can turn into the rightmost lane from lane 2, the leftmost lane from lane 3, rightmost from lane 4. Traffic lights (four signals) on the far end of the intersection work thus: 1. Left two lane lights turn green (Right two lanes are red). You can have traffic going straight, left or right. Traffic in lane 2 can turn right, but lanes 3 and 4 cannot. 2. Right two lane lights turn green, left red. Lane 2 cannot turn right but lanes 3 and 4 can. All the lights are circles, no arrows. The only indication of weirdness is that there's a "No turn on red". I do not see FSD behaving appropriately.

Well, I'd understand why it's difficult to extend to nationwide or even statewide just because of all the variations in road/driving conditions. So I can get how FSD never got certified at either scale. However, given their experience and plethora of data collected, I would have expected they'd be among the first get robotaxis in select cities. Idk, just struck me as odd is all. I figured I'd tee off this comment because someone might have an more informed insight into the why of it.

shkkmo 1y ago
Tesla has been working on improving a level 2 system that works everywhere while Waynlmo has been working on expanding the capabilities and coverage of their level 4 system that works in limited areas and requires detailed mapping. Tesla has yet to get good enough to achieve level 4 so they can't actually run a robotaxi yet. Tesla's bet is that if they can reach level 4 with their approach, they'll be able to roll out robotaxis much more widely than Waymo can. So far, the bet has not paid off and Tesla needs it to pay off before Waymo's slower rollout gets too far ahead.
- robertlagrant 1y ago
  Maybe they need a non-software upgrade that adds a bit more GPU power for robotaxi duties.

brandonagr2 1y ago

What do you call what this tesla is doing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQir90MktRc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQir90MktRc Just because it's supervised doesn't mean its not self driving

quickthrowman 1y ago
You left out the key word in that phrase, “full”. Tesla cars have autonomous driving features that require a human in the driver seat to take over in case the autonomous features shut off. That’s not “full self driving”.
InitialLastName 1y ago
There's a word in GP's post that you elided. "Full" means a human doesn't need to be supervising, and it works outside of the heavily mapped and stable conditions of LA.
FireBeyond 1y ago
Let me know when "FSD" can navigate this intersection in my state capital: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q3VPJvJ6WwXe3gdZ7 https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q3VPJvJ6WwXe3gdZ7 Four lanes, left to right: straight+left, right turn only, concrete divider, right turn only, right turn only. Note that there are only two lanes when you turn right, so you can turn into the rightmost lane from lane 2, the leftmost lane from lane 3, rightmost from lane 4. Traffic lights (four signals) on the far end of the intersection work thus: 1. Left two lane lights turn green (Right two lanes are red). You can have traffic going straight, left or right. Traffic in lane 2 can turn right, but lanes 3 and 4 cannot. 2. Right two lane lights turn green, left red. Lane 2 cannot turn right but lanes 3 and 4 can. All the lights are circles, no arrows. The only indication of weirdness is that there's a "No turn on red". I do not see FSD behaving appropriately.