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This is such a weird take. If Dems win ostensibly the negative consequences of their actions are the Republicans’ fault, and then if Republicans win their actio

This is such a weird take. If Dems win ostensibly the negative consequences of their actions are the Republicans’ fault, and then if Republicans win their actions must be owned by the Dems? Why the weird causal swap? The actions of this administration are primarily the responsibility of… this administration and those who supported it.

damnitbuilds 1y ago
Not fielding good candidates for bad reasons and giving the election to @#$%ing Trump is on the Dems. Forcing grant applicants to include irrelevant DEI language in applications is on the Dems.
- virgildotcodes 1y ago
  How much of the fault for the actions of republicans and trump rests on republicans and trump?
  - damnitbuilds 1y ago
    Blaming the loons won't help us make sure they don't get elected again. Pointing out to the Dems that they really have to fix themselves will.
    - virgildotcodes 1y ago
      Blaming the loons might in fact get people to understand that the loons are the problem and should be kept out of power. This would help us avoid things like swathes of progressives getting sold on this message that dems are the real problem and subsequently not voting, voting third party, or deciding to support the loons, causing the loons to win.
- ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
  maybe, but nobody is talking about that we're talking about the story in the article: republicans totally gutting science funding regardless of presidential candidates or DEI
  - damnitbuilds 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
      You're unfortunately a bit off, likely due to bias from your prior involvement in this thread, or a feeling of being cornered from so many people pointing out that your claims are silly, unsubstantiated and logically inconsistent. Allow me to help you as an impartial observer of your interactions with others: "We", as in the people commenting on this HN post (perhaps excepting you), were talking about the post: republicans totally gutting science funding regardless of DEI (even if they _unconvincingly_ try to claim that as a pretext while failing to prove it). Your confusion here might explain why your comments are apparently being viewed by so many others as low value (just observing here, not making that judgement myself), and why you're being so consistently corrected by others in this HN post. Try to take our constructive criticism constructively. Don't fall into the common right-wing trope-trap of thinking anyone who disagrees with you or downvotes you is an enemy plotting against you who must be defeated. Open yourself to changing your mind based on overwhelming feedback from many others. Don't "dig in"/"double down" like the current president of the usa [0]. I say "confusion" because I have good faith in you, and don't think you're engaging in tired whataboutism in an attempt to redirect criticism away from those at fault intentionally. I imagine the reason you're doing it, is likely just a mistake on your part, hence the helpful advice above. 0: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/oppositional-defiant-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20375831 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/oppositional-...
const_cast 1y ago
No no, you're understanding it wrong. Of course if the dems win and then the consequences are their fault. And then if they don't win, we just follow that same logic and... it's the dems fault. The formula isn't "opposite of who-dun-it", it's "dems always".

damnitbuilds 1y ago

Not fielding good candidates for bad reasons and giving the election to @#$%ing Trump is on the Dems. Forcing grant applicants to include irrelevant DEI language in applications is on the Dems.

virgildotcodes 1y ago
How much of the fault for the actions of republicans and trump rests on republicans and trump?
- damnitbuilds 1y ago
  Blaming the loons won't help us make sure they don't get elected again. Pointing out to the Dems that they really have to fix themselves will.
  - virgildotcodes 1y ago
    Blaming the loons might in fact get people to understand that the loons are the problem and should be kept out of power. This would help us avoid things like swathes of progressives getting sold on this message that dems are the real problem and subsequently not voting, voting third party, or deciding to support the loons, causing the loons to win.
ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
maybe, but nobody is talking about that we're talking about the story in the article: republicans totally gutting science funding regardless of presidential candidates or DEI
- damnitbuilds 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
    You're unfortunately a bit off, likely due to bias from your prior involvement in this thread, or a feeling of being cornered from so many people pointing out that your claims are silly, unsubstantiated and logically inconsistent. Allow me to help you as an impartial observer of your interactions with others: "We", as in the people commenting on this HN post (perhaps excepting you), were talking about the post: republicans totally gutting science funding regardless of DEI (even if they _unconvincingly_ try to claim that as a pretext while failing to prove it). Your confusion here might explain why your comments are apparently being viewed by so many others as low value (just observing here, not making that judgement myself), and why you're being so consistently corrected by others in this HN post. Try to take our constructive criticism constructively. Don't fall into the common right-wing trope-trap of thinking anyone who disagrees with you or downvotes you is an enemy plotting against you who must be defeated. Open yourself to changing your mind based on overwhelming feedback from many others. Don't "dig in"/"double down" like the current president of the usa [0]. I say "confusion" because I have good faith in you, and don't think you're engaging in tired whataboutism in an attempt to redirect criticism away from those at fault intentionally. I imagine the reason you're doing it, is likely just a mistake on your part, hence the helpful advice above. 0: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/oppositional-defiant-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20375831 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/oppositional-...

const_cast 1y ago

No no, you're understanding it wrong. Of course if the dems win and then the consequences are their fault. And then if they don't win, we just follow that same logic and... it's the dems fault. The formula isn't "opposite of who-dun-it", it's "dems always".