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I think for Trump hangers on bumbling around and acting like an idiot is thought to be a required social signal. I suspect few have a relationship they trust w

by duxup 2y ago

I think for Trump hangers on bumbling around and acting like an idiot is thought to be a required social signal. I suspect few have a relationship they trust with Trump, dude is erratic, prone to strange influences (twitter) and the only way hangers on can think to signal they are doing good work is effectively… act out in a way that gets attention.

rjsw 2y ago
This is known as "Working Towards the Führer" [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Kershaw#%22Working_Towards_the_F%C3%BChrer%22_concept https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Kershaw#%22Working_Towards...
- duxup 2y ago
  Thank you, I figured it had to have been a cited phenomenon elsewhere as well.
- no_wizard 2y ago
  First I’ve heard of this. It’s quite fascinating! I have read a lot of literature on the subjects at hand and never have I seen this come up. Usually Hitler in particular is characterized as a delegator and more adept than this makes it out to be. Frankly I’m not surprised, but interesting history none the less
  - mlinhares 2y ago
    Gives you plausible deniability, he never actively told you to do anything, you decided to act in that way by yourself. The president keeps saying that "he doens't know", "that's up to someone else", so he isn't taking any illegal actions or directing them, the people under him are doing it themselves.
    - int_19h 2y ago
      This is also exactly how it works in Russia today.
- biorach 2y ago
  > Kershaw sees this rivalry as causing the "cumulative radicalization" of Germany, and argues that though Hitler always favoured the most radical solution to any problem, it was German officials who, for the most part, in attempting to win the Führer's approval, carried out on their initiative, increasingly "radical" solutions to perceived problems like the "Jewish Question", as opposed to being ordered to do so by Hitler.[65] In this, Kershaw largely agrees with Mommsen's portrait of Hitler as a distant and remote leader standing in many ways above his system, whose charisma and ideas served to set the general tone of politics.

by duxup 2y ago

rjsw 2y ago

This is known as "Working Towards the Führer" [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Kershaw#%22Working_Towards_the_F%C3%BChrer%22_concept https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Kershaw#%22Working_Towards...

duxup 2y ago
Thank you, I figured it had to have been a cited phenomenon elsewhere as well.
no_wizard 2y ago
First I’ve heard of this. It’s quite fascinating! I have read a lot of literature on the subjects at hand and never have I seen this come up. Usually Hitler in particular is characterized as a delegator and more adept than this makes it out to be. Frankly I’m not surprised, but interesting history none the less
- mlinhares 2y ago
  Gives you plausible deniability, he never actively told you to do anything, you decided to act in that way by yourself. The president keeps saying that "he doens't know", "that's up to someone else", so he isn't taking any illegal actions or directing them, the people under him are doing it themselves.
  - int_19h 2y ago
    This is also exactly how it works in Russia today.
biorach 2y ago
> Kershaw sees this rivalry as causing the "cumulative radicalization" of Germany, and argues that though Hitler always favoured the most radical solution to any problem, it was German officials who, for the most part, in attempting to win the Führer's approval, carried out on their initiative, increasingly "radical" solutions to perceived problems like the "Jewish Question", as opposed to being ordered to do so by Hitler.[65] In this, Kershaw largely agrees with Mommsen's portrait of Hitler as a distant and remote leader standing in many ways above his system, whose charisma and ideas served to set the general tone of politics.