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> And Trump 3 will follow unless the Dems move back to the sane center. Great way to lose again. The "sane center" is 3rd-way '90s dems, and their shit only wo
by alabastervlog 1y ago
> And Trump 3 will follow unless the Dems move back to the sane center.
Great way to lose again. The "sane center" is 3rd-way '90s dems, and their shit only worked because Republicans agreed with them on unpopular neoliberal economic policy, so there was no way for voters to avoid it.
- damnitbuilds 1y agoNevertheless, the sane center, not DEI, not MAGA, is where the Dems have to go to get votes.
- alabastervlog 1y agoAttempting to be diet-Republican won't convince people to go for them instead of the full sugar version. This is literally what they keep trying, and it doesn't work.
- damnitbuilds 1y agoYou think the center is diet-Republican ? And the way to get more votes is to be more extreme ? There's the problem, right there.
- alabastervlog 1y ago> And the way to get more votes is to be more extreme ? You're doing an awful lot of stuff along the lines of "so you're saying BAD is actually good?" in this thread (not just with me), and it's not really a good way to have a discussion. It's good for arguing over, essentially, nothing.
- damnitbuilds 1y agoI am questioning your assertion that moving from the center is the way to win votes, and asking a question that highlights how ridiculous it is. That is a perfectly normal way to discuss something. Going meta is not.
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- tomhow 1y agoPlease don't comment like this on HN, no matter how right you are or feel you are. This subthread turned out to be generic political flamewar, just the kind of thing we don't want on HN, and several of your comments fanned the flames. If you could please have a read of the guidelines and take care to observe them in future we'd be appreciative: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- anigbrowl 1y agoYou're sealioning while treating your own assertions as facts. It's an unedifying spectacle.
- damnitbuilds 1y ago[flagged]
- erxam 1y agoThe "sane center" is a dying fantasy only kept on life support by the DNC to justify the same old mummies holding on to their last vestiges of power as everything burns down around them. There is no compromise that can be made here. The Democrats spent this past election cycle trying to appeal to 'undecided' 'independent' voters by shitting all over their actual base and presenting policies that appealed to about exactly zero people. Take immigration, for example. There is no way in hell the Democrats could have ever beaten the Regime on this issue. So what did they do? They still tried to compete by hardening their views to appeal to 'undecided' 'independent' voters who then all promptly headed to cast off their votes for the Messiah. All they managed to achieve was to piss off their base and anybody who'd considered voting for them. What 'moderate' (which is really just an euphemism for cowardly) Democrats don't understand is that you are in the opening stages of a war, and the last thing you ever want to do is purposefully disarm yourself because of 'decorum' and 'acceptability' and other such nonsense. You can never make compromises with those who want you dead no matter what. Hopefully the Democrats learn that before everyone in the world has to pay the price.
- absolutelastone 1y agoThe first rule is still to stop digging. Of course you can't spend four years pushing an extremely unpopular position on an issue and expect it to not matter the next day.