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Which were mostly tied down to specific languages and GC'd runtimes. You seem to have a big problem with Wasm just because bytecoode runtimes have been done bef

Which were mostly tied down to specific languages and GC'd runtimes. You seem to have a big problem with Wasm just because bytecoode runtimes have been done before.

pjmlp 1y ago
2001 says hi, "More than 20 programming tools vendors offer some 26 programming languages — including C++, Perl, Python, Java, COBOL, RPG and Haskell — on .NET. " https://news.microsoft.com/source/2001/10/22/massive-industry-and-developer-support-for-microsoft-net-on-display-at-professional-developers-conference-2001/ https://news.microsoft.com/source/2001/10/22/massive-industr... Ah, it isn't portable, maybe 1989? "The Architecture Neutral Distribution Format (ANDF) in computing is a technology allowing common "shrink wrapped" binary application programs to be distributed for use on conformant Unix systems, translated to run on different underlying hardware platforms. ANDF was defined by the Open Software Foundation and was expected to be a "truly revolutionary technology that will significantly advance the cause of portability and open systems",[1] but it was never widely adopted." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_Neutral_Distribution_Format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_Neutral_Distribut... or better 1980? "The Amsterdam Compiler Kit (ACK) is a retargetable compiler suite and toolchain written by Andrew Tanenbaum and Ceriel Jacobs, since 2005 maintained by David Given.[1] It has frontends for the following programming languages: C, Pascal, Modula-2, Occam, and BASIC." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Compiler_Kit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Compiler_Kit I have a problem with people selling WASM as something spectacullary new, never done before.
- adwn 1y ago
  > I have a problem with people selling WASM as something spectacullary new, never done before. Nobody is doing this here, you're arguing against a strawman.
  - n42 1y ago
    Furthermore, “I recognize this technology as a rehash of something that already exists” is just extremely uninteresting conversation without getting into the specifics. Clearly there are differences. Let’s talk about the merits and demerits of the thing.
    - wtetzner 1y ago
      Yeah, nearly everything is in some way a rehash of something that existed before at this point.
- jezek2 1y ago
  The biggest advantage is non-technical: it has universal adoption in the browsers from early on, esp. on Apple devices. That was NOT an easy task to achieve. I do believe the previous attempt with asm.js was able to help there to ease the idea for the browser makers. And technically it's quite well done. The only thing that is missing is thread support, but due to complexities I totally get why it wasn't done and it was a right call. There are workarounds and it will be added eventually, some forms of it exist already.
  - wtetzner 1y ago
    Yeah, the thing that's new and hasn't been done before is the level of adoption.

Which were mostly tied down to specific languages and GC'd runtimes. You seem to have a big problem with Wasm just because bytecoode runtimes have been done before.

pjmlp 1y ago

2001 says hi, "More than 20 programming tools vendors offer some 26 programming languages — including C++, Perl, Python, Java, COBOL, RPG and Haskell — on .NET. " https://news.microsoft.com/source/2001/10/22/massive-industry-and-developer-support-for-microsoft-net-on-display-at-professional-developers-conference-2001/ https://news.microsoft.com/source/2001/10/22/massive-industr... Ah, it isn't portable, maybe 1989? "The Architecture Neutral Distribution Format (ANDF) in computing is a technology allowing common "shrink wrapped" binary application programs to be distributed for use on conformant Unix systems, translated to run on different underlying hardware platforms. ANDF was defined by the Open Software Foundation and was expected to be a "truly revolutionary technology that will significantly advance the cause of portability and open systems",[1] but it was never widely adopted." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_Neutral_Distribution_Format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_Neutral_Distribut... or better 1980? "The Amsterdam Compiler Kit (ACK) is a retargetable compiler suite and toolchain written by Andrew Tanenbaum and Ceriel Jacobs, since 2005 maintained by David Given.[1] It has frontends for the following programming languages: C, Pascal, Modula-2, Occam, and BASIC." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Compiler_Kit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Compiler_Kit I have a problem with people selling WASM as something spectacullary new, never done before.

adwn 1y ago
> I have a problem with people selling WASM as something spectacullary new, never done before. Nobody is doing this here, you're arguing against a strawman.
- n42 1y ago
  Furthermore, “I recognize this technology as a rehash of something that already exists” is just extremely uninteresting conversation without getting into the specifics. Clearly there are differences. Let’s talk about the merits and demerits of the thing.
  - wtetzner 1y ago
    Yeah, nearly everything is in some way a rehash of something that existed before at this point.
jezek2 1y ago
The biggest advantage is non-technical: it has universal adoption in the browsers from early on, esp. on Apple devices. That was NOT an easy task to achieve. I do believe the previous attempt with asm.js was able to help there to ease the idea for the browser makers. And technically it's quite well done. The only thing that is missing is thread support, but due to complexities I totally get why it wasn't done and it was a right call. There are workarounds and it will be added eventually, some forms of it exist already.
- wtetzner 1y ago
  Yeah, the thing that's new and hasn't been done before is the level of adoption.