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> if it’s handled only within the Church then the only penalty are things like defrocking or banning from the church To be clear, things said under the "seal o

> if it’s handled only within the Church then the only penalty are things like defrocking or banning from the church To be clear, things said under the "seal of the confessional" cannot be shared by the priest with anyone else _even within the Catholic Church._ This particular situation is not a matter of the church trying to handle matters internally, but more of a recognition that the penitent is confessing their sins to God and the priest is only acting "in persona Cristi" (and thereby is prevented from pursuing other personal or societal objectives based on information revealed).

trollbridge 1y ago
Someone can literally confess to a priest he is stealing from the diocese, and the priest will keep it under seal. In the confessional, though, the priest can give spiritual advice on how to make penance. This could mean “go turn yourself in to the civil authorities”, “pay back what you stole”, or “say 3 Hail Marys each morning for a week”. Another way to view this is that the confessional is basically anonymous. Governments hate anonymity.
- firesteelrain 1y ago
  I totally understand the anonymous position. I just have a hard time reconciling not reporting a child abuser.
  - harimau777 1y ago
    I think that the Catholic Church would agree that it is difficult to reconcile and it would be worrying if you didn't feel that way.
- AStonesThrow 1y ago
  No, a priest must never coerce a penitent to betray themselves. This would be tantamount to the priest betraying the penitent, don't you see? Confessors are generally advised to assign satisfaction [penance] that consist of prayers or other strictly spiritual works, so that they are easily completed and remain entirely in the internal forum. A priest who tried to withhold absolution from a penitent, on the condition of the penitent turning themselves in or confessing to secular authority, that priest would be sanctioned, up to the penalties for breaking the seal of confessional.

trollbridge 1y ago

Someone can literally confess to a priest he is stealing from the diocese, and the priest will keep it under seal. In the confessional, though, the priest can give spiritual advice on how to make penance. This could mean “go turn yourself in to the civil authorities”, “pay back what you stole”, or “say 3 Hail Marys each morning for a week”. Another way to view this is that the confessional is basically anonymous. Governments hate anonymity.

firesteelrain 1y ago
I totally understand the anonymous position. I just have a hard time reconciling not reporting a child abuser.
- harimau777 1y ago
  I think that the Catholic Church would agree that it is difficult to reconcile and it would be worrying if you didn't feel that way.
AStonesThrow 1y ago
No, a priest must never coerce a penitent to betray themselves. This would be tantamount to the priest betraying the penitent, don't you see? Confessors are generally advised to assign satisfaction [penance] that consist of prayers or other strictly spiritual works, so that they are easily completed and remain entirely in the internal forum. A priest who tried to withhold absolution from a penitent, on the condition of the penitent turning themselves in or confessing to secular authority, that priest would be sanctioned, up to the penalties for breaking the seal of confessional.