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Actually it's pretty expensive in the long run. They want raises, are finicky about their health, have pesky habits like going home, having life partners and so

Actually it's pretty expensive in the long run. They want raises, are finicky about their health, have pesky habits like going home, having life partners and something silly called work/life balance. Also, they sometimes organize and become collective bodies under something called a union. In reality, I'm a strong supporter of everything above. Maybe we can really provide people better jobs by delegating repetitive and boring things to machines and allow everyone to do something they enjoy to earn their lives. One can dream, I guess...

maintainarmsx 1y ago
>are finicky about their health Machines are anything but reliable. They need constant servicing and maintenance and still break entirely
- bayindirh 1y ago
  Depends on how they're built, and building them takes experience. Plus, if their MTBF is long enough with enough hot spares, you can rotate the problematic ones out fix them while they are being replaced from the hot-spares pool. When you are not budget constrained, and building things for businesses, a little overengineering goes a long way. I have a Xerox 7500DN color laser printer next to me, and it's working for more than 20 years at this point. It has gone through a lot of spares, but most (if not all) issues are from parts wearing down naturally. Nothing breaks unexpectedly on that. Same for robots. Give enough design budget, overengineer a little, and that thing will be one hell of an ugly but reliable machinery. When you work with real "industrial" stuff, the landscape is very different.
- bluGill 1y ago
  Humans are not reliable either. Humans are much more likely to be out sick unexpectedly. If you keep up the maintenance plan for machines they rarely break before their predicted retirement date when you replace them. And since the maintenance and retirement dates are predicted in advance you can plan for them and thus ensure they happen when you want them to.
- jabroni_salad 1y ago
  All moving parts degrade. A nice thing about machines is you can service and refurbish them to like-new condition. There are options to deal with your shitty knees, hip, and back, but none of them get you back to 100% of your original capabilities and, carry an element of gambling, and will involve the kinds of painkillers that can ruin you far more comprehensively than a shitty joint will.
immibis 1y ago
If you have the misfortune to be in a developed country (not the USA) then yes. Worker without rights are evidently pretty cheap. They go home, but you can just get twice as many. Catastrophic self-organization happens on scales comparable to robot crashes, and you can just recycle the offending units and replace them with new ones.
righthand 1y ago
These "what if we give everyone jobs they are interested" remarks are just bullshit. You're not going to give people more interesting jobs, the result will just be flooded job markets everywhere. Then more jobs will become automated and people will then flood to more sectors that aren't automated. What a stupid dream, let people have meaningless jobs if they want that.

maintainarmsx 1y ago

>are finicky about their health Machines are anything but reliable. They need constant servicing and maintenance and still break entirely

bayindirh 1y ago
Depends on how they're built, and building them takes experience. Plus, if their MTBF is long enough with enough hot spares, you can rotate the problematic ones out fix them while they are being replaced from the hot-spares pool. When you are not budget constrained, and building things for businesses, a little overengineering goes a long way. I have a Xerox 7500DN color laser printer next to me, and it's working for more than 20 years at this point. It has gone through a lot of spares, but most (if not all) issues are from parts wearing down naturally. Nothing breaks unexpectedly on that. Same for robots. Give enough design budget, overengineer a little, and that thing will be one hell of an ugly but reliable machinery. When you work with real "industrial" stuff, the landscape is very different.
bluGill 1y ago
Humans are not reliable either. Humans are much more likely to be out sick unexpectedly. If you keep up the maintenance plan for machines they rarely break before their predicted retirement date when you replace them. And since the maintenance and retirement dates are predicted in advance you can plan for them and thus ensure they happen when you want them to.
jabroni_salad 1y ago
All moving parts degrade. A nice thing about machines is you can service and refurbish them to like-new condition. There are options to deal with your shitty knees, hip, and back, but none of them get you back to 100% of your original capabilities and, carry an element of gambling, and will involve the kinds of painkillers that can ruin you far more comprehensively than a shitty joint will.

immibis 1y ago

If you have the misfortune to be in a developed country (not the USA) then yes. Worker without rights are evidently pretty cheap. They go home, but you can just get twice as many. Catastrophic self-organization happens on scales comparable to robot crashes, and you can just recycle the offending units and replace them with new ones.

righthand 1y ago

These "what if we give everyone jobs they are interested" remarks are just bullshit. You're not going to give people more interesting jobs, the result will just be flooded job markets everywhere. Then more jobs will become automated and people will then flood to more sectors that aren't automated. What a stupid dream, let people have meaningless jobs if they want that.