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sys_64738 1y ago
In law we shouldn't be focused on ignorance and cluelessness. The outcome of what they have allowed is the crime. All the DOGE dudes need life without parole.
- TrapLord_Rhodo 1y ago
  Do you actually believe that? Do you not think that at least SOME OF THEM, are working their asses off to save american tax payer dollars? Can you point to any of the contracts in the wall of savings that have saved billions of dollars and disagree with any of them? https://doge.gov/savings https://doge.gov/savings
  - AlotOfReading 1y ago
    Did you look through that page before posting it? Currently, the default list of biggest savings is topped by things like eliminating a refugee intake facility, various HHS programs making sure public housing meets basic standards of habitability, and eradicating polio. Is the argument that government was so efficient before that eliminating these seemingly useful programs was the best and only way to save taxpayer dollars?
    - TrapLord_Rhodo 1y ago
      I guess we just disagree on what's important. $2.9B for 3,000 children. That's 967K per child. What in the actual fuck? https://www.fpds.gov/common/jsp/LaunchWebPage.jsp?command=execute&requestid=278830486&version=1.5 https://www.fpds.gov/common/jsp/LaunchWebPage.jsp?command=ex... Edit: the contract was 3.3B, so that changes the calculus to 1,109,966.78 per child. Haven't seen the facility, but i highly doubt they are staying in million dollar condos, but if they are... there are better ways to do that. $1,136,436,294.65 for paying their legal services... Why are we paying a billion dollars for legal services of a program we have discontinued? 1,021,000,000 to eradicate polio... Of which that last case in the united states was in 2022... Polio is all but irradicated here in the united states. We just seem to disagree with what's important and what's wasteful. You could build a brand new city for those amounts in the private sector.
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      - AlotOfReading 1y ago
        It's 2.9B for a facility that can accommodate up to 3000 children simultaneously, as well as the support services to run it and provide the medical care and social workers needed to take care of them. It's not $3B for a specific 3000 children somewhere, so it's nonsense to try counting the cost per child that way.
        TrapLord_Rhodo 1y ago
        regardless of the KPI perspective, do you agree that $3.3B is a bit much for a facility that can only host up the 3k? For reference, look up some of the Giga factory costs (With Capital expenditure for production). They are similiar in expenditures.
        AlotOfReading 1y ago
        I haven't looked at the contract in detail, but no, $3B over 5 years for 3000 people including construction costs sounds reasonably in line with prison costs (the closest comparison). Certainly not the order of magnitude too high like you're suggesting, which surely someone would have undercut on the bid if it were easy. You can look at the bid requirements yourself and determine whether you think it's reasonable for the scope of the facility: https://sam.gov/opp/3726d9e2246c47e197396e805ce6bb33/view https://sam.gov/opp/3726d9e2246c47e197396e805ce6bb33/view
        TrapLord_Rhodo 1y ago
        This was awarded sole source. There were no vendors able to compete. I also find their J&A unconvincing, and there's no way it passes the smell test required in Far part 6. There was really no other vendor in the world, besides Family Care to be able to do this? They aren't even a construction company.
      - troyvit 1y ago
    - bavell 1y ago
      Wow, I took a look at the first one: ~$3 Billion for temporary shelter for just 3k kids? Almost $1 million per child?? Never heard of the program but on its face that sounds pretty bad. Grift, scam, or just inefficient govt? Not sure but not a good argument for keeping it around!
  - itsdrewmiller 1y ago
    You can't trust their claimed savings either. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/13/us/politics/doge-contracts-savings.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/13/us/politics/doge-contract...
    - TrapLord_Rhodo 1y ago
      show me an example? Go to the link i provided and show me where they misrepresented savings. You can go directly to FPDS-NG from their saving reports. NYT is a trash media outlet, which obviously leans everything anti-elon.
- more-nitor 1y ago
  idk the law differentiates between "attempted but failed murder" / "accidental murder" / "successful(?) murder" ...maybe your "law" is some ancient eye-for-eye kind of law instead of some modern stuff?

In law we shouldn't be focused on ignorance and cluelessness. The outcome of what they have allowed is the crime. All the DOGE dudes need life without parole.

TrapLord_Rhodo 1y ago
Do you actually believe that? Do you not think that at least SOME OF THEM, are working their asses off to save american tax payer dollars? Can you point to any of the contracts in the wall of savings that have saved billions of dollars and disagree with any of them? https://doge.gov/savings https://doge.gov/savings
- AlotOfReading 1y ago
  Did you look through that page before posting it? Currently, the default list of biggest savings is topped by things like eliminating a refugee intake facility, various HHS programs making sure public housing meets basic standards of habitability, and eradicating polio. Is the argument that government was so efficient before that eliminating these seemingly useful programs was the best and only way to save taxpayer dollars?
  - TrapLord_Rhodo 1y ago
    I guess we just disagree on what's important. $2.9B for 3,000 children. That's 967K per child. What in the actual fuck? https://www.fpds.gov/common/jsp/LaunchWebPage.jsp?command=execute&requestid=278830486&version=1.5 https://www.fpds.gov/common/jsp/LaunchWebPage.jsp?command=ex... Edit: the contract was 3.3B, so that changes the calculus to 1,109,966.78 per child. Haven't seen the facility, but i highly doubt they are staying in million dollar condos, but if they are... there are better ways to do that. $1,136,436,294.65 for paying their legal services... Why are we paying a billion dollars for legal services of a program we have discontinued? 1,021,000,000 to eradicate polio... Of which that last case in the united states was in 2022... Polio is all but irradicated here in the united states. We just seem to disagree with what's important and what's wasteful. You could build a brand new city for those amounts in the private sector.
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    - AlotOfReading 1y ago
      It's 2.9B for a facility that can accommodate up to 3000 children simultaneously, as well as the support services to run it and provide the medical care and social workers needed to take care of them. It's not $3B for a specific 3000 children somewhere, so it's nonsense to try counting the cost per child that way.
      - TrapLord_Rhodo 1y ago
        regardless of the KPI perspective, do you agree that $3.3B is a bit much for a facility that can only host up the 3k? For reference, look up some of the Giga factory costs (With Capital expenditure for production). They are similiar in expenditures.
        AlotOfReading 1y ago
        I haven't looked at the contract in detail, but no, $3B over 5 years for 3000 people including construction costs sounds reasonably in line with prison costs (the closest comparison). Certainly not the order of magnitude too high like you're suggesting, which surely someone would have undercut on the bid if it were easy. You can look at the bid requirements yourself and determine whether you think it's reasonable for the scope of the facility: https://sam.gov/opp/3726d9e2246c47e197396e805ce6bb33/view https://sam.gov/opp/3726d9e2246c47e197396e805ce6bb33/view
        TrapLord_Rhodo 1y ago
        This was awarded sole source. There were no vendors able to compete. I also find their J&A unconvincing, and there's no way it passes the smell test required in Far part 6. There was really no other vendor in the world, besides Family Care to be able to do this? They aren't even a construction company.
    - troyvit 1y ago
  - bavell 1y ago
    Wow, I took a look at the first one: ~$3 Billion for temporary shelter for just 3k kids? Almost $1 million per child?? Never heard of the program but on its face that sounds pretty bad. Grift, scam, or just inefficient govt? Not sure but not a good argument for keeping it around!
- itsdrewmiller 1y ago
  You can't trust their claimed savings either. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/13/us/politics/doge-contracts-savings.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/13/us/politics/doge-contract...
  - TrapLord_Rhodo 1y ago
    show me an example? Go to the link i provided and show me where they misrepresented savings. You can go directly to FPDS-NG from their saving reports. NYT is a trash media outlet, which obviously leans everything anti-elon.
more-nitor 1y ago
idk the law differentiates between "attempted but failed murder" / "accidental murder" / "successful(?) murder" ...maybe your "law" is some ancient eye-for-eye kind of law instead of some modern stuff?