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Thanks! Great to hear it. > My own news-page rewrite includes several paragraphs of lede context, which is probably a bit on the overkill side. But a hundred

Thanks! Great to hear it. > My own news-page rewrite includes several paragraphs of lede context, which is probably a bit on the overkill side. But a hundred characters or so should help. Stay tuned, I've been thinking about the right way to do something like this too. > I'm also wrestling with the sort-order aspect. Current cut is time-ordered within sections (another thing I wish HN had), but I'm going to be extending the article count in the next iteration. Hope you don't mind if I email you later for new feature feedback. > That said, your design is clean and light, I like it. Thank you.

dredmorbius 1y ago
A key problem with extracting article context is that there are so many distinct sources. That said, power laws and Zipf functions apply, and a large fraction of HN front-page articles come from a relatively small set of domains. There's further aggregation possible when underlying publishing engines can be identified, e.g., Wordpress, CMSes used by a large number of news organisations, Medium, Substack, Github, Gitlab, Fediverse servers, and a number of static site generators (Hugo, Jekyll, Pelican, Gatsby, etc.). I suspect you're aware of most of this. I have a set of front-page sites from an earlier scraping project: (For the life of me I cannot remember what the 3rd column represents, though it may be a miscalculated cumulative percentage. The "category" field was manually supplied by me, every site with > 17 appearances has one, as well as several below that threshold which could be identified by other means, e.g., regexes on blogging engines, GitHub pages, etc.) Rank Count ??? Site :::: Category ------------------------------------------------------------- 1 7294 5.175 n/a :::: n/a 2 3803 7.873 nytimes.com :::: general news 3 3495 10.352 techcrunch.com :::: tech news 4 1580 11.473 arstechnica.com :::: tech news 5 1344 12.426 bloomberg.com :::: business news 6 1288 13.340 wired.com :::: tech news 7 1171 14.171 wsj.com :::: business news 8 1099 14.951 youtube.com :::: video 9 1026 15.678 wikipedia.org :::: general info (wiki) 10 921 16.332 bbc.com :::: general news 11 911 16.978 bbc.co.uk :::: general news 12 893 17.612 theguardian.com :::: general news 13 866 18.226 washingtonpost.com :::: general news 14 846 18.826 reuters.com :::: general news 15 829 19.414 economist.com :::: business news 16 781 19.968 theatlantic.com :::: general interest 17 631 20.416 arxiv.org :::: academic / science 18 628 20.862 npr.org :::: general news 19 622 21.303 nature.com :::: academic / science 20 614 21.738 newyorker.com :::: general interest 21 505 22.097 eff.org :::: law 22 475 22.434 stanford.edu :::: academic / science 23 471 22.768 ieee.org :::: technology 24 456 23.091 reddit.com :::: general discussion 25 448 23.409 amazon.com :::: corporate comm. 26 445 23.725 microsoft.com :::: technology 27 416 24.020 theverge.com :::: tech news 28 410 24.311 venturebeat.com :::: business news 29 408 24.600 quantamagazine.org :::: academic / science 30 407 24.889 cnn.com :::: general news 17,782 sites in total, if I'm reading my past notes correctly. More on that project in an HN search: <https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adredmorbius%20front%20page%20analysis&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...> (Individual comments/posts seem presently unreachable due to an HN site bug.)
- dredmorbius 1y ago
  Further thoughts on article extraction: one idea that comes to mind is including extraction rules in the source selection metadata. I'm using something along these lines right now to process sections within a given source, where I define the section-distinguishing-element from a headline URL, as well as the plaintext, position (within my generated page), lines of context, and maximum age (days) I'm interested in. That could be extended or paired with a per-source rule that identifies the htmlq specifiers which pull out title, dateline, and byline elements from the source. A further challenge is that such specifiers have a tendency to change as the publisher's back-end CMS varies, and finding ways to identify those is ... difficult. But grist for the mill, at any rate.

dredmorbius 1y ago

A key problem with extracting article context is that there are so many distinct sources. That said, power laws and Zipf functions apply, and a large fraction of HN front-page articles come from a relatively small set of domains. There's further aggregation possible when underlying publishing engines can be identified, e.g., Wordpress, CMSes used by a large number of news organisations, Medium, Substack, Github, Gitlab, Fediverse servers, and a number of static site generators (Hugo, Jekyll, Pelican, Gatsby, etc.). I suspect you're aware of most of this. I have a set of front-page sites from an earlier scraping project: (For the life of me I cannot remember what the 3rd column represents, though it may be a miscalculated cumulative percentage. The "category" field was manually supplied by me, every site with > 17 appearances has one, as well as several below that threshold which could be identified by other means, e.g., regexes on blogging engines, GitHub pages, etc.) Rank Count ??? Site :::: Category ------------------------------------------------------------- 1 7294 5.175 n/a :::: n/a 2 3803 7.873 nytimes.com :::: general news 3 3495 10.352 techcrunch.com :::: tech news 4 1580 11.473 arstechnica.com :::: tech news 5 1344 12.426 bloomberg.com :::: business news 6 1288 13.340 wired.com :::: tech news 7 1171 14.171 wsj.com :::: business news 8 1099 14.951 youtube.com :::: video 9 1026 15.678 wikipedia.org :::: general info (wiki) 10 921 16.332 bbc.com :::: general news 11 911 16.978 bbc.co.uk :::: general news 12 893 17.612 theguardian.com :::: general news 13 866 18.226 washingtonpost.com :::: general news 14 846 18.826 reuters.com :::: general news 15 829 19.414 economist.com :::: business news 16 781 19.968 theatlantic.com :::: general interest 17 631 20.416 arxiv.org :::: academic / science 18 628 20.862 npr.org :::: general news 19 622 21.303 nature.com :::: academic / science 20 614 21.738 newyorker.com :::: general interest 21 505 22.097 eff.org :::: law 22 475 22.434 stanford.edu :::: academic / science 23 471 22.768 ieee.org :::: technology 24 456 23.091 reddit.com :::: general discussion 25 448 23.409 amazon.com :::: corporate comm. 26 445 23.725 microsoft.com :::: technology 27 416 24.020 theverge.com :::: tech news 28 410 24.311 venturebeat.com :::: business news 29 408 24.600 quantamagazine.org :::: academic / science 30 407 24.889 cnn.com :::: general news 17,782 sites in total, if I'm reading my past notes correctly. More on that project in an HN search: <https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adredmorbius%20front%20page%20analysis&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...> (Individual comments/posts seem presently unreachable due to an HN site bug.)

dredmorbius 1y ago
Further thoughts on article extraction: one idea that comes to mind is including extraction rules in the source selection metadata. I'm using something along these lines right now to process sections within a given source, where I define the section-distinguishing-element from a headline URL, as well as the plaintext, position (within my generated page), lines of context, and maximum age (days) I'm interested in. That could be extended or paired with a per-source rule that identifies the htmlq specifiers which pull out title, dateline, and byline elements from the source. A further challenge is that such specifiers have a tendency to change as the publisher's back-end CMS varies, and finding ways to identify those is ... difficult. But grist for the mill, at any rate.