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>In broad terms, the messages seek to remind the elite that Ramses had been chosen by the gods and claimed his ancestry from Amun-Re and Maat. Ramses had come t

>In broad terms, the messages seek to remind the elite that Ramses had been chosen by the gods and claimed his ancestry from Amun-Re and Maat. Ramses had come to the throne relatively late at the age of 25 years old following the death of his father Seti. Having not been born a king, Ramses used the obelisk as a propaganda tool early in his reign to reinforce his supremacy and divine nature. Fun facts, prophet Moses is the most mentioned prophet in the Quran even more than Muhammad. The main protagonist during Moses time is Pharaoh and his fake claim of divinity is recorded verbatim in the Quran [1]. Pharaoh declared, “O chiefs! I know of no other god for you but myself. So bake bricks out of clay for me, O Hamân, and build a high tower so I may look at the God of Moses, although I am sure he is a liar.” [1] Quran Surah Al-Qasas (The Story): Ayat 38: https://quran.com/en/al-qasas/38 https://quran.com/en/al-qasas/38

anthk 1y ago
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- mystified5016 1y ago
  Go back to 4chan with this drivel
  - anthk 1y ago
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  - everdrive 1y ago
    That may have been a very poorly (and rudely) formatted comment, however the actual historicity of Exodus is doubted by scholars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Exodus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Exodus "Most mainstream scholars do not accept the biblical Exodus account as historical for a number of reasons. It is generally agreed that the Exodus stories were written centuries after the apparent setting of the stories." "However, a majority of scholars believe that the story has an historical core,[12][13] though disagreeing widely about what that historical kernel might have been." I am not a scholar, however given just how many tribes Egyptians subjugated, and just how syncretic much of the early Israelite religion was, it's certainly not unreasonable to think that there was at least some group of people which had a "fleeing from Egypt" story which did later get subsumed into the Israelite religion.
  - dumbledoren 1y ago
    His language may be childish, but he is historically on the spot: There is absolutely no record of any slave 'race' of any Canaanites in Ancient Egypt, no kind of exodus, nor any kind of major event in that time period that could lead to such an exodus. The closest that could simulate an 'exodus' is the !likelihood! of some Canaanite people who may have come with the Hyksos in the Hyksos invasion going back to Canaan. Or, some local people who collaborated with the Hyksos, thinking that it could be better to go with them to avoid the ire of their own countrymen, who conquered Lower Egypt after 100 years. People tried too hard to find anything in Ancient Egyptian history, records and events that could validate Moses, 'slave Semitics' and the exodus story, but until now, there is absolutely nothing. The most likely thing, if you try hard enough, could be the leaders of the people mentioned above, who may have potentially existed, inventing a 'promised land' story to persuade their people to go to Canaan. And even that is too big a stretch. The entire thing can easily be a mythology local Canaanites invented to justify their rights to the land without anything like it having happened.
    - anthk 1y ago
      Yes, I agree that my answer was childish; but I was fed up, sorry. I'm tired of people taking myths as a source of events. Just imagine if we do the same with the Graeco-Roman myths, or the Egyptian ones. Everyone would talk about that as pure nonsense. And yet, with the Bible it's somehow dealt as if it were the Elements from Euclid but for the Ancient times, were in truth it belongs to the same cathegory as the Illiad or Beowulf.
navis05 1y ago
That’s really cool
graemep 1y ago
I did not know that, but its not really surprising when you think about it. What the Quran says about Jesus and about Mary is also interesting.
thisislife2 1y ago
All religion seem to be a "refactoring" of the core moral / ethical / ritualistic "codebase" of previous older religions. This is ofcourse most apparent when you study all the 3 Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). Some historians have even posited that the early ideas of Judaism ("chosen people", monotheism) actually originated from other African countries before finally arriving in Egypt and causing the religious discord in their society that lead to the emergence of Moses as a religious leader, and the birth Judaism. See this interesting Q&A - Were the Ten Commandments taken from the Egyptian Book of the Dead? - https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/31534/were-the-ten-commandments-taken-from-the-egyptian-book-of-the-dead/ https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/31534/were-the-... ... (While Egyptian history is popular because of the Roman connection and the fascination for Pyramids, Pharoahs and Moses, the history of other African empires are not quite well known because in many ways imperialism and colonialism still persists there).

anthk 1y ago

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mystified5016 1y ago
Go back to 4chan with this drivel
- anthk 1y ago
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- everdrive 1y ago
  That may have been a very poorly (and rudely) formatted comment, however the actual historicity of Exodus is doubted by scholars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Exodus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Exodus "Most mainstream scholars do not accept the biblical Exodus account as historical for a number of reasons. It is generally agreed that the Exodus stories were written centuries after the apparent setting of the stories." "However, a majority of scholars believe that the story has an historical core,[12][13] though disagreeing widely about what that historical kernel might have been." I am not a scholar, however given just how many tribes Egyptians subjugated, and just how syncretic much of the early Israelite religion was, it's certainly not unreasonable to think that there was at least some group of people which had a "fleeing from Egypt" story which did later get subsumed into the Israelite religion.
- dumbledoren 1y ago
  His language may be childish, but he is historically on the spot: There is absolutely no record of any slave 'race' of any Canaanites in Ancient Egypt, no kind of exodus, nor any kind of major event in that time period that could lead to such an exodus. The closest that could simulate an 'exodus' is the !likelihood! of some Canaanite people who may have come with the Hyksos in the Hyksos invasion going back to Canaan. Or, some local people who collaborated with the Hyksos, thinking that it could be better to go with them to avoid the ire of their own countrymen, who conquered Lower Egypt after 100 years. People tried too hard to find anything in Ancient Egyptian history, records and events that could validate Moses, 'slave Semitics' and the exodus story, but until now, there is absolutely nothing. The most likely thing, if you try hard enough, could be the leaders of the people mentioned above, who may have potentially existed, inventing a 'promised land' story to persuade their people to go to Canaan. And even that is too big a stretch. The entire thing can easily be a mythology local Canaanites invented to justify their rights to the land without anything like it having happened.
  - anthk 1y ago
    Yes, I agree that my answer was childish; but I was fed up, sorry. I'm tired of people taking myths as a source of events. Just imagine if we do the same with the Graeco-Roman myths, or the Egyptian ones. Everyone would talk about that as pure nonsense. And yet, with the Bible it's somehow dealt as if it were the Elements from Euclid but for the Ancient times, were in truth it belongs to the same cathegory as the Illiad or Beowulf.

navis05 1y ago

That’s really cool

graemep 1y ago

I did not know that, but its not really surprising when you think about it. What the Quran says about Jesus and about Mary is also interesting.

thisislife2 1y ago

All religion seem to be a "refactoring" of the core moral / ethical / ritualistic "codebase" of previous older religions. This is ofcourse most apparent when you study all the 3 Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). Some historians have even posited that the early ideas of Judaism ("chosen people", monotheism) actually originated from other African countries before finally arriving in Egypt and causing the religious discord in their society that lead to the emergence of Moses as a religious leader, and the birth Judaism. See this interesting Q&A - Were the Ten Commandments taken from the Egyptian Book of the Dead? - https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/31534/were-the-ten-commandments-taken-from-the-egyptian-book-of-the-dead/ https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/31534/were-the-... ... (While Egyptian history is popular because of the Roman connection and the fascination for Pyramids, Pharoahs and Moses, the history of other African empires are not quite well known because in many ways imperialism and colonialism still persists there).