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If you get an employer match on 401k/HSA, the employer pays full healthcare premium, employer sponsored life insurance benefits, unemployment insurance, employe
by vel0city 1y ago
If you get an employer match on 401k/HSA, the employer pays full healthcare premium, employer sponsored life insurance benefits, unemployment insurance, employer covered disability, payroll taxes, and all the other software costs, it wouldn't even take $200k in salary to cost $20k/mo. Someone could be making like $150k and still cost the company that much.
- lucyjojo 1y agogentle reminder that the majority of developers do not live in the united states. median salary for a japanese dev is ~$60k. same range for europe (swiss at ~100k, italy at ~30k for the extremes). then you go down. Russia ~$37,000 Brazil ~$31,500 Nigeria ~$6,000 Morocco ~$11,800 Indonesia ~$13,500 and india ~$30k usd (asked chatgpt for these numbers down there, JP and EU numbers are mostly correct though as I have first hand experience).
- vel0city 1y agoSure, but ~$150k isn't exactly FAANG US salaries for an experienced software dev. That's my point. Lots of people forget how much extra many employers pay for a salaried employee on top of just the take home salary. Labor is expensive in the US. I imagine a lot of people saw $20k/mo and thought the salary clearly had to be $200k+.
- Kurtz79 1y agoAccording to Wilkipedia, general average wages in Italy in 2023 were 48K, and SWE jobs are usually above average. It would be interesting to know from where Chatgpt sourced those figures as some of them look very sketchy.
- lucyjojo 1y agothis website put the number at 40k (and 30k entry level 50k senior) https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/italy https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/italy so there s a change it took entry level numbers. another possibility is that it took numbers from a specific region in italy (big north/south gap).