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Yes. For small apps, as well distributed systems. You have to puppeteer it and build a meta context/tasking management system. I spend a lot of time setting Cl

by ramoz 1y ago

Yes. For small apps, as well distributed systems. You have to puppeteer it and build a meta context/tasking management system. I spend a lot of time setting Claude code up for success. I usually start with Gemini for creating context, development plans, and project tasking outlines (I can feed large portions of codebase to Gemini and rely on its strategy). I’ve even put entire library docsites in my repos for Claude code to use - but today they announced web search. They also have todos built in which make the above even more powerful. The end result is insane productivity - I think the only metric I have is something like 15-20k lines of code for a recent distributed processing system from scratch over 5 days.

broof 1y ago
Can you share more about what you mean by a meta context/tasking management system? I’m always curious when I see people who have happily spent large amounts on api tokens.
- conception 1y ago
  So i use roo and you have the architecture mode draft out in as much detail as you want, plans, tech stack choices, todos, etc. Switch to orchestration mode to execute the plan, including verifying things are done correctly. It sub tasks out the todos. Tell it to not bother you unless it has a question. Cone back in thirty and see how it’s doing. You can have it commit to a branch per task if you want. Etc etc.
- ramoz 1y ago
  Here is some insight... I had gemini obfuscate my business context so if something sounds weird it is probably because of that. https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/4a07a7e8fdd76cbe054761b986a6f853 https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/4a07a7e8fdd76cbe054761b9... The framework is basically the instructions and my general guidance for updating and ensuring the details of critical information get injected into context. some of those prompts I commented here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43932858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43932858 For most planning I use Gemini. I copy either the entire codebase (if less than ~200k tokens) or select only that parts that matter for the task in large codebases. I built a tool to help me build these prompts, keep the codebase organized well in xml structure. https://github.com/backnotprop/prompt-tower https://github.com/backnotprop/prompt-tower
BowBun 1y ago
Is that final number really that crazy? With a well defined goal, you can put out 5-8K per day by writing code the old fashioned way. Also would love to see the code, since in my experience (I use Cursor as a daily driver), AI bloats code by 50% or more with unnecessary comments and whitespace especially when making full classes/files. > I spend a lot of time setting Claude code up for success. Normally I wouldn't post this because it's not constructive, but this piece stuck out to me and had me wondering if it's worth the trade-off. Not to mention programmers have spent decades fighting against LoC as a metric, so let's not start using it now!
- dttze 1y ago
  You'll never see the code. They will just say how amazingly awesome it is, how it will fundamentally alter how coding is done, etc... and then nothing. Then if you look into who posts it, they work in some AI related startup and aren't even a coder.
  - ramoz 1y ago
    Not open source but depending on certain context i can show whoever. im not hard to find. Ive done just about everything across the full & distributed stack. So I'm down to jam on my code/systems and how I instruct & rely on (confidently) AI to help build them.
- maccard 1y ago
  5k likes of code a day is 10 lines of code a minute solidly for 8 hours straight. Whatever way you cut that with white space, bracket alignment, that’s a pretty serious amount of code to chunk out.
  - n_ary 1y ago
    If I am writing Go, it is easy to generate enough if/else and error checks. When working in java, basic code can bloat to big LoC over several hours(first draft, which is obviously cleaned up later before going to PR). React and other FE frameworks also tend to require huge LoC count(mostly boilerplate and auto completed rather than thoughtfully planned and written). It is not that serious amount as you may think.
_bin_ 1y ago
I'd be really interested in seeing the source for this, if it's an open-source project, along with the prompts and some examples. Or other source/prompt examples you know of. A lot of people seem to have these magic incantations that somehow make LLMs work really well, at the level marketing and investor hype says they do. However, I rarely see that in the real world. I'm not saying this is true for you, but absent vaguely replicable examples that aren't just basic webshit, I find it super hard to believe they're actually this capable.
- ramoz 1y ago
  Not open source but depending on certain context i can show you. im not hard to find.
- senordevnyc 1y ago
  Aider writes 70-80% of its own code: https://aider.chat/HISTORY.html https://aider.chat/HISTORY.html
- NitpickLawyer 1y ago
  While not directly what you're asking for, I find this link extremely fascinating - https://aider.chat/HISTORY.html https://aider.chat/HISTORY.html For context, this is aider tracking aider's code written by an LLM. Of course there's still a human in the loop, but the stats look really cool. It's the first time I've seen such a product work on itself and tracking the results.

by ramoz 1y ago

broof 1y ago

Can you share more about what you mean by a meta context/tasking management system? I’m always curious when I see people who have happily spent large amounts on api tokens.

conception 1y ago
So i use roo and you have the architecture mode draft out in as much detail as you want, plans, tech stack choices, todos, etc. Switch to orchestration mode to execute the plan, including verifying things are done correctly. It sub tasks out the todos. Tell it to not bother you unless it has a question. Cone back in thirty and see how it’s doing. You can have it commit to a branch per task if you want. Etc etc.
ramoz 1y ago
Here is some insight... I had gemini obfuscate my business context so if something sounds weird it is probably because of that. https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/4a07a7e8fdd76cbe054761b986a6f853 https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/4a07a7e8fdd76cbe054761b9... The framework is basically the instructions and my general guidance for updating and ensuring the details of critical information get injected into context. some of those prompts I commented here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43932858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43932858 For most planning I use Gemini. I copy either the entire codebase (if less than ~200k tokens) or select only that parts that matter for the task in large codebases. I built a tool to help me build these prompts, keep the codebase organized well in xml structure. https://github.com/backnotprop/prompt-tower https://github.com/backnotprop/prompt-tower

BowBun 1y ago

Is that final number really that crazy? With a well defined goal, you can put out 5-8K per day by writing code the old fashioned way. Also would love to see the code, since in my experience (I use Cursor as a daily driver), AI bloats code by 50% or more with unnecessary comments and whitespace especially when making full classes/files. > I spend a lot of time setting Claude code up for success. Normally I wouldn't post this because it's not constructive, but this piece stuck out to me and had me wondering if it's worth the trade-off. Not to mention programmers have spent decades fighting against LoC as a metric, so let's not start using it now!

dttze 1y ago
You'll never see the code. They will just say how amazingly awesome it is, how it will fundamentally alter how coding is done, etc... and then nothing. Then if you look into who posts it, they work in some AI related startup and aren't even a coder.
- ramoz 1y ago
  Not open source but depending on certain context i can show whoever. im not hard to find. Ive done just about everything across the full & distributed stack. So I'm down to jam on my code/systems and how I instruct & rely on (confidently) AI to help build them.
maccard 1y ago
5k likes of code a day is 10 lines of code a minute solidly for 8 hours straight. Whatever way you cut that with white space, bracket alignment, that’s a pretty serious amount of code to chunk out.
- n_ary 1y ago
  If I am writing Go, it is easy to generate enough if/else and error checks. When working in java, basic code can bloat to big LoC over several hours(first draft, which is obviously cleaned up later before going to PR). React and other FE frameworks also tend to require huge LoC count(mostly boilerplate and auto completed rather than thoughtfully planned and written). It is not that serious amount as you may think.

_bin_ 1y ago

I'd be really interested in seeing the source for this, if it's an open-source project, along with the prompts and some examples. Or other source/prompt examples you know of. A lot of people seem to have these magic incantations that somehow make LLMs work really well, at the level marketing and investor hype says they do. However, I rarely see that in the real world. I'm not saying this is true for you, but absent vaguely replicable examples that aren't just basic webshit, I find it super hard to believe they're actually this capable.

ramoz 1y ago
Not open source but depending on certain context i can show you. im not hard to find.
senordevnyc 1y ago
Aider writes 70-80% of its own code: https://aider.chat/HISTORY.html https://aider.chat/HISTORY.html
NitpickLawyer 1y ago
While not directly what you're asking for, I find this link extremely fascinating - https://aider.chat/HISTORY.html https://aider.chat/HISTORY.html For context, this is aider tracking aider's code written by an LLM. Of course there's still a human in the loop, but the stats look really cool. It's the first time I've seen such a product work on itself and tracking the results.