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Just want to share our thinking on terminal-based tools! We think in 1-2 years people will write code at a systems level, not a function level, and it's not cl

Just want to share our thinking on terminal-based tools! We think in 1-2 years people will write code at a systems level, not a function level, and it's not clear to us that you can do that with text. Text-based tools like Claude Code work in our text-based-code systems today, but I think describing algorithms to a computer in the future might involve more diagrams, and terminal will not be ideal. That's our reasoning against building a tool in the terminal, but it clearly works well today, and is the simplest way for the labs to train/run terminal tool-use agents.

bcrosby95 1y ago
Diagrams are great at providing a simplified view of things but they suck ass when it comes to providing details. There's a reason why fully creating systems from them died 20 years ago - and it wasn't just because the code gen failed. Finding a bug in your spec when its a mess of arrows and connections can be nigh impossible. Go image search "complex unreal blueprint".
- andrewpareles 1y ago
  This is completely true, and it's a really common objection. I don't imagine people will want to fully visualize codebases in a giant unified diagram, but I find it hard to imagine that we won't have digests and overviews that at least stray from plaintext in some way. I think there are a lot of unexplored ways of using AI to create an intelligent overview of a repo and its data structures, or a React project and its components and state, etc.
  - abnercoimbre 1y ago
    Terminals aren't too far away from evolving [0] beyond UTF-8 characters. Therefore I suspect IDEs and CLIs will continue their turf wars as always. > hard to imagine that we won't have digests and overviews 100% agreed here. Disclosure: I'm the author of the project below. [0] https://terminal.click https://terminal.click
    - 1dom 1y ago
      FYI, this is currently a dead link - wasn't sure if typo, so googled and confirmed, looks like you're down at the moment. Hopefully not a painful fix on a Sunday.
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  - ayewo 1y ago
    > I think there are a lot of unexplored ways of using AI to create an intelligent overview of a repo and its data structures, or a React project and its components and state, etc. Sounds exactly like what DeepWiki is doing from the Devin AI Agent guys: https://deepwiki.com https://deepwiki.com
conartist6 1y ago
You have lost all connection to reality. Hey by the way I hear all communication between people is going to shift to pictograms soon. You know -- emoji and hieroglyphs. Text just isn't ideal, you know
km144 1y ago
Every system can be translated can be translated to text though. If there is one thing LLMs have essentially always been good at, it is processing written language.

bcrosby95 1y ago

Diagrams are great at providing a simplified view of things but they suck ass when it comes to providing details. There's a reason why fully creating systems from them died 20 years ago - and it wasn't just because the code gen failed. Finding a bug in your spec when its a mess of arrows and connections can be nigh impossible. Go image search "complex unreal blueprint".

andrewpareles 1y ago
This is completely true, and it's a really common objection. I don't imagine people will want to fully visualize codebases in a giant unified diagram, but I find it hard to imagine that we won't have digests and overviews that at least stray from plaintext in some way. I think there are a lot of unexplored ways of using AI to create an intelligent overview of a repo and its data structures, or a React project and its components and state, etc.
- abnercoimbre 1y ago
  Terminals aren't too far away from evolving [0] beyond UTF-8 characters. Therefore I suspect IDEs and CLIs will continue their turf wars as always. > hard to imagine that we won't have digests and overviews 100% agreed here. Disclosure: I'm the author of the project below. [0] https://terminal.click https://terminal.click
  - 1dom 1y ago
    FYI, this is currently a dead link - wasn't sure if typo, so googled and confirmed, looks like you're down at the moment. Hopefully not a painful fix on a Sunday.
- deleted 1y ago
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- ayewo 1y ago
  > I think there are a lot of unexplored ways of using AI to create an intelligent overview of a repo and its data structures, or a React project and its components and state, etc. Sounds exactly like what DeepWiki is doing from the Devin AI Agent guys: https://deepwiki.com https://deepwiki.com

conartist6 1y ago

You have lost all connection to reality. Hey by the way I hear all communication between people is going to shift to pictograms soon. You know -- emoji and hieroglyphs. Text just isn't ideal, you know

km144 1y ago

Every system can be translated can be translated to text though. If there is one thing LLMs have essentially always been good at, it is processing written language.