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> I guess I interpret it as "America has gone into political decline." I'm a bit surprised to hear a Trump appointee say that What do you think the premise of

> I guess I interpret it as "America has gone into political decline." I'm a bit surprised to hear a Trump appointee say that What do you think the premise of the motto Make America Great Again is? The difference between Trumpists and others who see a decline is that the former see the 2016 and 2024 elections as reverses in the decline, whereas other see them as sources or exacerbations.

SirensOfTitan 2y ago
Anyone who sees Trump as either an aberration or a savior is deeply deluded on the state of America. In my opinion, the US world order’s decay was unmasked in 2008, and it has been accelerating since. The two economic realities between the poor rural America and the rich coastal cities (and even within them there is so much clear wealth disparity) have only gotten worse, and the political and bureaucratic system isn’t really capable of skillfully dealing with it. Trump actually speaks to the realities that few politicians will (Bernie Sanders did too in 2016, hence his appeal), though his prescribed solutions are likely just accelerating the country’s demise.
- dmix 2y ago
  Well said
- agumonkey 2y ago
  Trump is basically a golden populist then. All these parties will gladly point as t issues, because it give them the spotlight.
- camillomiller 2y ago
  Agreed. The 2008 crisis and the Snowden revelations were the long turning point
- watwut 2y ago
  It is not primary about economy or powerty. That one is an excuse, a rationalization.
- selfhoster11 2y ago
  I don't see why you'd say "deeply deluded" is the only option, instead of simply "not that knowledgeable" being one. As a European, the election (and then re-election) of Trump was an aberration, but that's because I didn't know about/follow US's internal problems.
- zug_zug 2y ago
  I disagree. 1% issue aside - There are things Trump has done that have no American precedent, such as Jan 6th, openly insisting he'll run for a 3rd term, and too many others to list here. In that sense he is absolutely an aberration.

SirensOfTitan 2y ago

Anyone who sees Trump as either an aberration or a savior is deeply deluded on the state of America. In my opinion, the US world order’s decay was unmasked in 2008, and it has been accelerating since. The two economic realities between the poor rural America and the rich coastal cities (and even within them there is so much clear wealth disparity) have only gotten worse, and the political and bureaucratic system isn’t really capable of skillfully dealing with it. Trump actually speaks to the realities that few politicians will (Bernie Sanders did too in 2016, hence his appeal), though his prescribed solutions are likely just accelerating the country’s demise.

dmix 2y ago
Well said
agumonkey 2y ago
Trump is basically a golden populist then. All these parties will gladly point as t issues, because it give them the spotlight.
camillomiller 2y ago
Agreed. The 2008 crisis and the Snowden revelations were the long turning point
watwut 2y ago
It is not primary about economy or powerty. That one is an excuse, a rationalization.
selfhoster11 2y ago
I don't see why you'd say "deeply deluded" is the only option, instead of simply "not that knowledgeable" being one. As a European, the election (and then re-election) of Trump was an aberration, but that's because I didn't know about/follow US's internal problems.
zug_zug 2y ago
I disagree. 1% issue aside - There are things Trump has done that have no American precedent, such as Jan 6th, openly insisting he'll run for a 3rd term, and too many others to list here. In that sense he is absolutely an aberration.