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I believe the church can also do these two things: if a person is a priest, remove their priesthood, and if civilian, excomunicate them. Not to mention saying

I believe the church can also do these two things: if a person is a priest, remove their priesthood, and if civilian, excomunicate them. Not to mention saying things like "we disapprove of this behavior". Overall, I think your claim that the church cannot do anything except the one thing you named is obviously false. There are in fact many things the church can do. Otherwise nobody would give a damn who is Pope. Just a guy who can not do anything.

bluGill 1y ago
the law is better equiped to investigate and unbiased. Thus better let the law figure it out. People have been falsely accused of crimes, so you dare not do much until a poper investigation is complete. Once the investigation is complete you now have better understanding of the truth. Also christianity has always preached foregiveness. They often shouldn't do anything about past sins without being hypocrytical. If the law takes over they don't need to figure this out.
- Capricorn2481 1y ago
  > the law is better equiped to investigate and unbiased It's the bias of the Church and the unwillingness to involve the law that people are criticizing. Also "The law is unbiased" is a new one. They are as unbiased as you and I. Very disgusting that, to this day, this cover-up is defended.
  - bluGill 1y ago
    I'm not defending cover up. I'm defending not investigating themselves.
anon291 1y ago
> if a person is a priest, remove their priesthood, and if civilian, excomunicate them. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of catholic doctrine. One cannot have their priesthood 'removed'. However, they can be banned from the public performance of it, which is usually the punishment doled out. As for excommunication... excommunication is removeable via confession, which is freely given.
- josephcsible 1y ago
  > excommunication is removeable via confession, which is freely given. Lifting an excommunication has a higher bar than just absolution of sins in confession. It requires permission of the local ordinary (usually the diocesan bishop), and for excommunications for especially bad things like desecrating the Eucharist or violating the seal of confession, it requires permission of the Apostolic See.
  - anon291 1y ago
    That is church law mumbo jumbo. The absolution given in confession is absolute. You just have to find a priest willing to offer you absolution (which could be an orthodox priest by Catholic doctrine), and either way, if you're on your deathbed, the priest must give you last rites, which will have the same effect. The whole not-being-able-to-receive-communion thing is just an administrative punishment. While the church can make policies regarding various things, it cannot remove the efficacious power of the sacraments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication_in_the_Catholic_Church#Absolution_from_excommunication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication_in_the_Catholi... > If for any reason the absolution from the censure is invalid, or is not given at all, nevertheless, provided the penitent is rightly disposed, his sins will always be forgiven in the sacrament of confession

bluGill 1y ago

the law is better equiped to investigate and unbiased. Thus better let the law figure it out. People have been falsely accused of crimes, so you dare not do much until a poper investigation is complete. Once the investigation is complete you now have better understanding of the truth. Also christianity has always preached foregiveness. They often shouldn't do anything about past sins without being hypocrytical. If the law takes over they don't need to figure this out.

Capricorn2481 1y ago
> the law is better equiped to investigate and unbiased It's the bias of the Church and the unwillingness to involve the law that people are criticizing. Also "The law is unbiased" is a new one. They are as unbiased as you and I. Very disgusting that, to this day, this cover-up is defended.
- bluGill 1y ago
  I'm not defending cover up. I'm defending not investigating themselves.

anon291 1y ago

> if a person is a priest, remove their priesthood, and if civilian, excomunicate them. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of catholic doctrine. One cannot have their priesthood 'removed'. However, they can be banned from the public performance of it, which is usually the punishment doled out. As for excommunication... excommunication is removeable via confession, which is freely given.

josephcsible 1y ago
> excommunication is removeable via confession, which is freely given. Lifting an excommunication has a higher bar than just absolution of sins in confession. It requires permission of the local ordinary (usually the diocesan bishop), and for excommunications for especially bad things like desecrating the Eucharist or violating the seal of confession, it requires permission of the Apostolic See.
- anon291 1y ago
  That is church law mumbo jumbo. The absolution given in confession is absolute. You just have to find a priest willing to offer you absolution (which could be an orthodox priest by Catholic doctrine), and either way, if you're on your deathbed, the priest must give you last rites, which will have the same effect. The whole not-being-able-to-receive-communion thing is just an administrative punishment. While the church can make policies regarding various things, it cannot remove the efficacious power of the sacraments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication_in_the_Catholic_Church#Absolution_from_excommunication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication_in_the_Catholi... > If for any reason the absolution from the censure is invalid, or is not given at all, nevertheless, provided the penitent is rightly disposed, his sins will always be forgiven in the sacrament of confession