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Seeing as he's now head of a religion that believes none of us is perfect (Romans 3:23) it's unsurprising to think someone may allege that he is not perfect.

eldaisfish 1y ago
bad faith response. No one, from any religion, should directly or indirectly support crimes against minors. If people really cared about kids, we would protect them from sexual abuse from priests and prosecute priests via the legal system.
- BJones12 1y ago
  > If people really cared about kids, we would... prosecute priests via the legal system. Prevost has literally said to alleged victims that they should go to the police.
  - Capricorn2481 1y ago
    So he "literally" said he won't do anything about it until children can muster the courage and resources to prove in court they were abused. This is "why didn't she go to the police" for children. The police are not to be trusted, certainly not to against the Catholic Church.
    - anon291 1y ago
      Then who should investigate? The church cannot do anything to anyone they investigate other than 'order' them to remain in a monastery (which, they can leave at anytime since this is a free country and church rules are not law).
      - BJones12 1y ago
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        hirvi74 1y ago
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        RandomBacon 1y ago
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        BJones12 1y ago
        That's the thing...you would not be fortunate. The institution exists because it is a net benefit to humanity. > Is there a single entity to have ever existed in the history of humanity that has more blood on its hands? Depending on how you count, probably many. In wars, more than 98% of casualties are attributable to political wars that had no religious motivation, and fewer so of Roman Catholic motivation. So, whatever those political entities are. A confounding factor in answering the question is that the Catholics have been around for 2000 years, and many violently bloody entities fell after comparably short periods of time. For example, the Khmer Rouge existed for 4 years and killed 3 million people, no religious entity could attain the same level of bloodshed over their long existence even if they tried, which they don't.
        mensetmanusman 1y ago
        I wonder how little history one would have to know to ask.
      - dttze 1y ago
        They could just out these pedophiles and remove them from positions in the church, but they rather hide their crimes and shield them. They did absolutely nothing until it became too hard to ignore reality and now they are dealing with that.
      - Capricorn2481 1y ago
        Please do not be naive. This was not a stray accusation from an opportunistic adult, This was multiple accusations to the same people from children. I would think the bare minimum is when multiple children tell you they are being molested by the same person, you tell that person they are fired if they are seen near a school, and you interview other children at the school. Or you go to the police yourself and ask them to investigate. You know, common sense things. You don't, for instance, do this. > "As the Archdiocese of Chicago had already placed restrictions on Ray being in the company of minors for nine years prior to his residence at St. John Stone Priory and communicated these when seeking approval from the Provincial, Robert Prevost, Cardinal Prevost was aware of the danger that Ray posed to minors when he gave approval," the letter says. "Nonetheless, Ray was permitted to live at the Priory in the vicinity of an elementary school without informing the administration of the school. By doing so, Cardinal Prevost endangered the safety of the children attending St. Thomas the Apostle." I would invite you to apply skepticism to the adults who famously covered all of this up, and not to catholic children.
      - lucianbr 1y ago
        I believe the church can also do these two things: if a person is a priest, remove their priesthood, and if civilian, excomunicate them. Not to mention saying things like "we disapprove of this behavior". Overall, I think your claim that the church cannot do anything except the one thing you named is obviously false. There are in fact many things the church can do. Otherwise nobody would give a damn who is Pope. Just a guy who can not do anything.
        bluGill 1y ago
        the law is better equiped to investigate and unbiased. Thus better let the law figure it out. People have been falsely accused of crimes, so you dare not do much until a poper investigation is complete. Once the investigation is complete you now have better understanding of the truth. Also christianity has always preached foregiveness. They often shouldn't do anything about past sins without being hypocrytical. If the law takes over they don't need to figure this out.
        Capricorn2481 1y ago
        > the law is better equiped to investigate and unbiased It's the bias of the Church and the unwillingness to involve the law that people are criticizing. Also "The law is unbiased" is a new one. They are as unbiased as you and I. Very disgusting that, to this day, this cover-up is defended.
        bluGill 1y ago
        I'm not defending cover up. I'm defending not investigating themselves.
        anon291 1y ago
        > if a person is a priest, remove their priesthood, and if civilian, excomunicate them. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of catholic doctrine. One cannot have their priesthood 'removed'. However, they can be banned from the public performance of it, which is usually the punishment doled out. As for excommunication... excommunication is removeable via confession, which is freely given.
mvdtnz 1y ago
There's "imperfect" and there's "shields child molesters".

eldaisfish 1y ago

bad faith response. No one, from any religion, should directly or indirectly support crimes against minors. If people really cared about kids, we would protect them from sexual abuse from priests and prosecute priests via the legal system.

BJones12 1y ago
> If people really cared about kids, we would... prosecute priests via the legal system. Prevost has literally said to alleged victims that they should go to the police.
- Capricorn2481 1y ago
  So he "literally" said he won't do anything about it until children can muster the courage and resources to prove in court they were abused. This is "why didn't she go to the police" for children. The police are not to be trusted, certainly not to against the Catholic Church.
  - anon291 1y ago
    Then who should investigate? The church cannot do anything to anyone they investigate other than 'order' them to remain in a monastery (which, they can leave at anytime since this is a free country and church rules are not law).
    - BJones12 1y ago
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      - hirvi74 1y ago
        [flagged]
        RandomBacon 1y ago
        [flagged]
        BJones12 1y ago
        That's the thing...you would not be fortunate. The institution exists because it is a net benefit to humanity. > Is there a single entity to have ever existed in the history of humanity that has more blood on its hands? Depending on how you count, probably many. In wars, more than 98% of casualties are attributable to political wars that had no religious motivation, and fewer so of Roman Catholic motivation. So, whatever those political entities are. A confounding factor in answering the question is that the Catholics have been around for 2000 years, and many violently bloody entities fell after comparably short periods of time. For example, the Khmer Rouge existed for 4 years and killed 3 million people, no religious entity could attain the same level of bloodshed over their long existence even if they tried, which they don't.
        mensetmanusman 1y ago
        I wonder how little history one would have to know to ask.
    - dttze 1y ago
      They could just out these pedophiles and remove them from positions in the church, but they rather hide their crimes and shield them. They did absolutely nothing until it became too hard to ignore reality and now they are dealing with that.
    - Capricorn2481 1y ago
      Please do not be naive. This was not a stray accusation from an opportunistic adult, This was multiple accusations to the same people from children. I would think the bare minimum is when multiple children tell you they are being molested by the same person, you tell that person they are fired if they are seen near a school, and you interview other children at the school. Or you go to the police yourself and ask them to investigate. You know, common sense things. You don't, for instance, do this. > "As the Archdiocese of Chicago had already placed restrictions on Ray being in the company of minors for nine years prior to his residence at St. John Stone Priory and communicated these when seeking approval from the Provincial, Robert Prevost, Cardinal Prevost was aware of the danger that Ray posed to minors when he gave approval," the letter says. "Nonetheless, Ray was permitted to live at the Priory in the vicinity of an elementary school without informing the administration of the school. By doing so, Cardinal Prevost endangered the safety of the children attending St. Thomas the Apostle." I would invite you to apply skepticism to the adults who famously covered all of this up, and not to catholic children.
    - lucianbr 1y ago
      I believe the church can also do these two things: if a person is a priest, remove their priesthood, and if civilian, excomunicate them. Not to mention saying things like "we disapprove of this behavior". Overall, I think your claim that the church cannot do anything except the one thing you named is obviously false. There are in fact many things the church can do. Otherwise nobody would give a damn who is Pope. Just a guy who can not do anything.
      - bluGill 1y ago
        the law is better equiped to investigate and unbiased. Thus better let the law figure it out. People have been falsely accused of crimes, so you dare not do much until a poper investigation is complete. Once the investigation is complete you now have better understanding of the truth. Also christianity has always preached foregiveness. They often shouldn't do anything about past sins without being hypocrytical. If the law takes over they don't need to figure this out.
        Capricorn2481 1y ago
        > the law is better equiped to investigate and unbiased It's the bias of the Church and the unwillingness to involve the law that people are criticizing. Also "The law is unbiased" is a new one. They are as unbiased as you and I. Very disgusting that, to this day, this cover-up is defended.
        bluGill 1y ago
        I'm not defending cover up. I'm defending not investigating themselves.
      - anon291 1y ago
        > if a person is a priest, remove their priesthood, and if civilian, excomunicate them. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of catholic doctrine. One cannot have their priesthood 'removed'. However, they can be banned from the public performance of it, which is usually the punishment doled out. As for excommunication... excommunication is removeable via confession, which is freely given.

mvdtnz 1y ago

There's "imperfect" and there's "shields child molesters".