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dang 1y ago
Would you please stop posting like this? We're trying for thoughtful, respectful discussion of people's work on this site. Snarky, nasty oneliners destroy that. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43928512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43928512.
- ramesh31 1y ago
  Apologies for the snark, you're correct. But I do stand by the point. We are seeing umpteen of these things launched every week now, all with the exact same goal in mind; monetizing a thin layer of abstraction between code repos and model providers, to lock enterprises in and sell out as quickly as possible. None of them are proposing anything new or unique above the half dozen open source extensions out there that have gained real community support and are pushing the capabilities forward. Anyone who actually uses agentic coding tools professionally knows that Windsurf is a joke compared to Cline, and that there is no good reason whatsoever for them to have forked. This just poisons the well further for folks who haven't used one yet.
  - dang 1y ago
    Yes, the high-order bit is to avoid snark, so thanks about that. And it's clear that you know about this space and have good information and thoughts to contribute—great! I would still push back on this: > all with the exact same goal in mind It seems to me that you're assuming too much about other people's intentions, jumping beyond what you can possibly know. When people do that to reduce things to a cynical endstate before they've gotten off the ground, that's not good for discussion or community. This is part of the reason why we have guidelines like these in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." "Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative."
    - ramesh31 1y ago
      I'll take my paddling. Thanks for the work you do here btw, truthfully.
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Would you please stop posting like this? We're trying for thoughtful, respectful discussion of people's work on this site. Snarky, nasty oneliners destroy that. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43928512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43928512.

ramesh31 1y ago
Apologies for the snark, you're correct. But I do stand by the point. We are seeing umpteen of these things launched every week now, all with the exact same goal in mind; monetizing a thin layer of abstraction between code repos and model providers, to lock enterprises in and sell out as quickly as possible. None of them are proposing anything new or unique above the half dozen open source extensions out there that have gained real community support and are pushing the capabilities forward. Anyone who actually uses agentic coding tools professionally knows that Windsurf is a joke compared to Cline, and that there is no good reason whatsoever for them to have forked. This just poisons the well further for folks who haven't used one yet.
- dang 1y ago
  Yes, the high-order bit is to avoid snark, so thanks about that. And it's clear that you know about this space and have good information and thoughts to contribute—great! I would still push back on this: > all with the exact same goal in mind It seems to me that you're assuming too much about other people's intentions, jumping beyond what you can possibly know. When people do that to reduce things to a cynical endstate before they've gotten off the ground, that's not good for discussion or community. This is part of the reason why we have guidelines like these in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." "Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative."
  - ramesh31 1y ago
    I'll take my paddling. Thanks for the work you do here btw, truthfully.

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