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WARNING: Some very speculative scenarios ahead. > Or do I want to live within the Anthropic or ChatGPT client with everything at my fingertips it has trained o

WARNING: Some very speculative scenarios ahead. > Or do I want to live within the Anthropic or ChatGPT client with everything at my fingertips it has trained on (as well as tooling access via the MCP ecosystem)? If advancements in hardware continue at a fairly rapid pace, we'll all eventually be using large models locally. We won't be talking about MCP and requests to OpenAI, Anthropic or Gemini, we'll be talking about which of the latest models to download. Pricing-wise, right now, it's probably not that expensive to set up a free LLm on a server in your house that everyone will use. The only "moat" that there is, is the model weights. And the only way to get a trained model is by slurping content. So, sure, while right now everyone is going to Anthropic and ChatGPT for answers, pretty soon everyone will be going to whoever has the most current model. And that's where Cloudflare can make a killing, because they are literally serving so much content, they can train their own model on the content that is passing through without any need to run a bot.

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aurareturn 2y ago
So, sure, while right now everyone is going to Anthropic and ChatGPT for answers, pretty soon everyone will be going to whoever has the most current model. And that's where Cloudflare can make a killing, because they are literally serving so much content, they can train their own model on the content that is passing through without any need to run a bot. I don't understand this logic. This assumes that Cloudflare can train a model remotely as good as OpenAI and Anthropic. I have doubts about that. You're also assuming that the model with the most up to date content is the best but I disagree. ChatGPT can search the web now so not having up to date training data is not a big deal anymore. I think where Cloudflare can make a killing is policing which AI agent can access which service. IE. Content providers use Cloudflare to block AI agents/bots. AI Agents/bots pay Cloudflare for easier access.
znpy 2y ago
> And that's where Cloudflare can make a killing, because they are literally serving so much content, they can train their own model on the content that is passing through without any need to run a bot. I think you're missing an important aspect: CloudFlare is in the unique position to be able to: 1. train a model on content that's actually getting visited by people (they are fairly good at cutting out bots) 2. They don't even have to scrape the website, they can collect the content while they serve request. it would be completely transparent (zero cost, actually a benefit) to website owners. @jgrahamc if you're reading this and you end up doing what i wrote, I want a cut of the profits (or a job offer) :P
- lelanthran 2y ago
  > I think you're missing an important aspect: Which is? I said: > because they are literally serving so much content, they can train their own model on the content that is passing through without any need to run a bot. Which covers both your points below: > 1. train a model on content that's actually getting visited by people (they are fairly good at cutting out bots) > 2. They don't even have to scrape the website, they can collect the content while they serve request. it would be completely transparent (zero cost, actually a benefit) to website owners.

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aurareturn 2y ago

So, sure, while right now everyone is going to Anthropic and ChatGPT for answers, pretty soon everyone will be going to whoever has the most current model. And that's where Cloudflare can make a killing, because they are literally serving so much content, they can train their own model on the content that is passing through without any need to run a bot. I don't understand this logic. This assumes that Cloudflare can train a model remotely as good as OpenAI and Anthropic. I have doubts about that. You're also assuming that the model with the most up to date content is the best but I disagree. ChatGPT can search the web now so not having up to date training data is not a big deal anymore. I think where Cloudflare can make a killing is policing which AI agent can access which service. IE. Content providers use Cloudflare to block AI agents/bots. AI Agents/bots pay Cloudflare for easier access.

znpy 2y ago

> And that's where Cloudflare can make a killing, because they are literally serving so much content, they can train their own model on the content that is passing through without any need to run a bot. I think you're missing an important aspect: CloudFlare is in the unique position to be able to: 1. train a model on content that's actually getting visited by people (they are fairly good at cutting out bots) 2. They don't even have to scrape the website, they can collect the content while they serve request. it would be completely transparent (zero cost, actually a benefit) to website owners. @jgrahamc if you're reading this and you end up doing what i wrote, I want a cut of the profits (or a job offer) :P

lelanthran 2y ago
> I think you're missing an important aspect: Which is? I said: > because they are literally serving so much content, they can train their own model on the content that is passing through without any need to run a bot. Which covers both your points below: > 1. train a model on content that's actually getting visited by people (they are fairly good at cutting out bots) > 2. They don't even have to scrape the website, they can collect the content while they serve request. it would be completely transparent (zero cost, actually a benefit) to website owners.