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Helping to cure polio doesn't outweigh imagined future harms by George engineering that didn't happen yet?

ok123456 1y ago
He's not curing polio, though. His polio program is spreading it because they use a live virus, and a low percentage of the population is getting it. People are now getting paralytic polio from others who got the vaccine. This is just one example of the Kreuger-Dunning that permeates all aspects of the Gates Foundation. His interventions have been mainly disasters, distorted public policy, and gobbled up biotech IP in the process. He controls the money spicket and is very petty and cocksure about what is "right." Researchers and public policy experts who disagree with his ideas get cut off. Governments should set public health policy and manage the needs of their people, not billionaires, biotech companies, or NGOs.
- codr7 1y ago
  Plus, he wouldn't touch a project he couldn't make a profit from somehow. People don't change much.
  - therein 1y ago
    Yup, the Gates worship is incredibly sad.
    - codr7 1y ago
      I don't get how it happened, it's like an epidemic on this site. It's not like it takes a lot of effort to find out the truth about that scumbag.
  - mgraczyk 1y ago
    How does he profit from giving away all of his money?
    - codr7 1y ago
      Dig deep enough and there's always a kickback, some business he's involved in that profits one way or the other.
      - mgraczyk 1y ago
        Do you have any examples?
        codr7 1y ago
        No, I don't collect these things, I prefer to spend as little time as possible thinking about Bill Gates. But everything you could possibly want to know is a Google search away.
        mgraczyk 1y ago
        I tried to find something but couldn't find any evidence that he's received a kickback for any charity
        codr7 1y ago
        Right, and what did you search for if I may ask? This took me about three clicks to find: https://cagj.org/2020/04/the-nation-bill-gatess-charity-paradox/ https://cagj.org/2020/04/the-nation-bill-gatess-charity-para... Which sounds more like the BG I know from back in the days.
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- cyberax 1y ago
  > He's not curing polio, though. His polio program is spreading it because they use a live virus Wow. Just wow. Where the heck do you get this garbage from?
  - mgraczyk 1y ago
    OPV unfortunately does cause paralytic polio disease indirectly by infecting unvaccinated people. It's worth it IMO because the total number of paralyzed people has decreased, but in the long term we have to switch to IPV to completely eliminate polio. This will take decades and many billions of dollars though.
    - cyberax 1y ago
      Yes, it's called cVDPV. It's caused by the virus in the live vaccine "unweakening" itself, and it's typically happening in people with weakened immune systems (e.g. from chronic malnutrition). It's not causing unvaccinated people to get infected, per se. Most cases are mild, and on average there are about 300-400 cases per _year_ for the entire world. But it's absolutely heinous to accuse Gates of deliberately infecting people with the live virus. The weakened vaccine has been the standard for polio vaccination for the last 80 years. There is simply no alternative for it for places like DRC or Chad. Inactivated vaccines require refrigeration and injections, and this is not feasible. We're >.< this close to eradicating polio: https://polioeradication.org/wild-poliovirus-count/ https://polioeradication.org/wild-poliovirus-count/ - there are only two countries with the wild virus. A little bit more, and we can actually stop vaccinating from polio altogether.
      - mgraczyk 1y ago
        I largely agree, but there is essentially no possibility of ever eradicating polio with the current OPV strategy. If you stop vaccinating, cVDPV will spread person to person. Some people carry virus for decades and it can become infectious at any time, many years after they were first vaccinated or infected. There will sparse but significant episodes until all humans who were vaccinated with OPV (or infected with the wild virus) have died. but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it! It's ok if we don't eradicate the virus. The point is to prevent children from being paralyzed, and it works for that.
- mgraczyk 1y ago
  There are issues with the oral vaccines, but what you're saying is completely untrue. The total number of paralyzed kids has gone down dramatically as a result of the work Gates has done. By any metric, this is a good thing

He's not curing polio, though. His polio program is spreading it because they use a live virus, and a low percentage of the population is getting it. People are now getting paralytic polio from others who got the vaccine. This is just one example of the Kreuger-Dunning that permeates all aspects of the Gates Foundation. His interventions have been mainly disasters, distorted public policy, and gobbled up biotech IP in the process. He controls the money spicket and is very petty and cocksure about what is "right." Researchers and public policy experts who disagree with his ideas get cut off. Governments should set public health policy and manage the needs of their people, not billionaires, biotech companies, or NGOs.

codr7 1y ago
Plus, he wouldn't touch a project he couldn't make a profit from somehow. People don't change much.
- therein 1y ago
  Yup, the Gates worship is incredibly sad.
  - codr7 1y ago
    I don't get how it happened, it's like an epidemic on this site. It's not like it takes a lot of effort to find out the truth about that scumbag.
- mgraczyk 1y ago
  How does he profit from giving away all of his money?
  - codr7 1y ago
    Dig deep enough and there's always a kickback, some business he's involved in that profits one way or the other.
    - mgraczyk 1y ago
      Do you have any examples?
      - codr7 1y ago
        No, I don't collect these things, I prefer to spend as little time as possible thinking about Bill Gates. But everything you could possibly want to know is a Google search away.
        mgraczyk 1y ago
        I tried to find something but couldn't find any evidence that he's received a kickback for any charity
        codr7 1y ago
        Right, and what did you search for if I may ask? This took me about three clicks to find: https://cagj.org/2020/04/the-nation-bill-gatess-charity-paradox/ https://cagj.org/2020/04/the-nation-bill-gatess-charity-para... Which sounds more like the BG I know from back in the days.
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cyberax 1y ago
> He's not curing polio, though. His polio program is spreading it because they use a live virus Wow. Just wow. Where the heck do you get this garbage from?
- mgraczyk 1y ago
  OPV unfortunately does cause paralytic polio disease indirectly by infecting unvaccinated people. It's worth it IMO because the total number of paralyzed people has decreased, but in the long term we have to switch to IPV to completely eliminate polio. This will take decades and many billions of dollars though.
  - cyberax 1y ago
    Yes, it's called cVDPV. It's caused by the virus in the live vaccine "unweakening" itself, and it's typically happening in people with weakened immune systems (e.g. from chronic malnutrition). It's not causing unvaccinated people to get infected, per se. Most cases are mild, and on average there are about 300-400 cases per _year_ for the entire world. But it's absolutely heinous to accuse Gates of deliberately infecting people with the live virus. The weakened vaccine has been the standard for polio vaccination for the last 80 years. There is simply no alternative for it for places like DRC or Chad. Inactivated vaccines require refrigeration and injections, and this is not feasible. We're >.< this close to eradicating polio: https://polioeradication.org/wild-poliovirus-count/ https://polioeradication.org/wild-poliovirus-count/ - there are only two countries with the wild virus. A little bit more, and we can actually stop vaccinating from polio altogether.
    - mgraczyk 1y ago
      I largely agree, but there is essentially no possibility of ever eradicating polio with the current OPV strategy. If you stop vaccinating, cVDPV will spread person to person. Some people carry virus for decades and it can become infectious at any time, many years after they were first vaccinated or infected. There will sparse but significant episodes until all humans who were vaccinated with OPV (or infected with the wild virus) have died. but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it! It's ok if we don't eradicate the virus. The point is to prevent children from being paralyzed, and it works for that.
mgraczyk 1y ago
There are issues with the oral vaccines, but what you're saying is completely untrue. The total number of paralyzed kids has gone down dramatically as a result of the work Gates has done. By any metric, this is a good thing