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Never understood the "I'm solar" or "I'm nuclear" crowd. The issue is an engineering problem, not a baseball match. As an system-oriented person, give me a hea

Never understood the "I'm solar" or "I'm nuclear" crowd. The issue is an engineering problem, not a baseball match. As an system-oriented person, give me a healthy combination of available, battle tested, new and promising solutions, fine-tuning weaknesses with strengths. Go to the stadium to solve your local team/visiting team issues. You are all falling to Big Fossil antics.

looofooo0 1y ago
Lets face it deploying nuclear around the world will add other mayor headaches like nuclear profileration.
- pjc50 1y ago
  Let's ask people what the correct number of nuclear plants that should be built to decarbonize Iran is.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  That's happening anyway.
- nandomrumber 1y ago
  What nuclear proliferation? How many nuclear electricity states are there? 30 How many nuclear weapons states are there? 9 What headaches are those nine nuclear capable states providing, exactly? How has the world been made worse by having nine nuclear capable states? Practically, not just hypothetical anxieties about an unrealised future.
  - mmooss 1y ago
    > hypothetical anxieties about an unrealised future. Preventing nuclear war is just 'hypothetical anxieties'? We should wait for a war to happen and then do something? That's not persuasive.
  - looofooo0 1y ago
    Ok, how many are democracies of those 21 without nukes or have or had a defense alliance with a country with nukes?
  - EasyMark 1y ago
    Right now two of them are ready to go to war, and potentially nuclear war if one starts losing over a relatively small strip of land.
  - natmaka 1y ago
    Because, for now, those non-nuclear-capable states weren't interested in becoming nuclear-capable. On a standard PWR (the most common type of civilian industrial reactor) cooking military-grade plutonium is easy: charge it, let it start ('diverge') and then run, all as usual, then shut it down early.
pjc50 1y ago
The nuclear boosters are particularly odd. I can engage in solar boosterism with my own money: I have 3.7kW on my house. I'm not going to have a backyard reactor, this isn't the Jetsons.
- nandomrumber 1y ago
  Roof top solar doesn’t work in apartments, and it also doesn’t work for renters. Roof top solar is great for people with spare cash to optimise heir future cash flow. I advocate for nuclear because it guarantees the poor won’t freeze in the dark.
  - doublerabbit 1y ago
    Doesn't work how? If it's monetary gain then thats a political not one in residence. If not producing enough power then that's a people's problem. Being greedy taking more than what they need and for not enough resources on building efficiency. Overall solar works. It's just gate-kept tightly by evil organisations who are scared to lose their dirty cash for such technology to evolve.
    - nandomrumber 1y ago
      Because apartments don’t have roof tops. And why would a landlord sink $10,000+ in to a property for no return. Roof top solar only works for the user who has the roof top solar. For everyone else it makes electricity more expensive. Happy to be proven wrong. Show me a majority of places with high roof top solar penetration where per kWh electricity rates have fallen. And who cares about carbon emissions, China and India have that covered - I don’t need to worry about producing more or less CO2 emissions because it won’t make any difference whether or not I believe in catastrophic climate change.
      - mmooss 1y ago
        That's an interesting point, but a much less costly option is to change policies to incentivize landlords, not build multi-billion dollar nuclear plants. > And who cares about carbon emissions, China and India have that covered - I don’t need to worry about producing more or less CO2 emissions because it won’t make any difference whether or not I believe in catastrophic climate change. That doesn't change the US's contribution, the ability of the US to form successful international agreements, and the influence of the US pulling its weight as a much wealthier country than China or India. Blaming your neighbor for your bad behavior - I sell drugs off my porch because my neighbor does - doesn't make you less criminal. Also unacceptable, from moral and practical perspectives, is saying 'there's nothing I can do'. It's time we stop letting that pass.
melling 1y ago
Does the engineering problem have any time constraints? I suppose my sense of urgency comes from stated climate goals. An extra 50 years to solve the problem changes everything.

looofooo0 1y ago

Lets face it deploying nuclear around the world will add other mayor headaches like nuclear profileration.

pjc50 1y ago
Let's ask people what the correct number of nuclear plants that should be built to decarbonize Iran is.
SoftTalker 1y ago
That's happening anyway.
nandomrumber 1y ago
What nuclear proliferation? How many nuclear electricity states are there? 30 How many nuclear weapons states are there? 9 What headaches are those nine nuclear capable states providing, exactly? How has the world been made worse by having nine nuclear capable states? Practically, not just hypothetical anxieties about an unrealised future.
- mmooss 1y ago
  > hypothetical anxieties about an unrealised future. Preventing nuclear war is just 'hypothetical anxieties'? We should wait for a war to happen and then do something? That's not persuasive.
- looofooo0 1y ago
  Ok, how many are democracies of those 21 without nukes or have or had a defense alliance with a country with nukes?
- EasyMark 1y ago
  Right now two of them are ready to go to war, and potentially nuclear war if one starts losing over a relatively small strip of land.
- natmaka 1y ago
  Because, for now, those non-nuclear-capable states weren't interested in becoming nuclear-capable. On a standard PWR (the most common type of civilian industrial reactor) cooking military-grade plutonium is easy: charge it, let it start ('diverge') and then run, all as usual, then shut it down early.

pjc50 1y ago

The nuclear boosters are particularly odd. I can engage in solar boosterism with my own money: I have 3.7kW on my house. I'm not going to have a backyard reactor, this isn't the Jetsons.

nandomrumber 1y ago
Roof top solar doesn’t work in apartments, and it also doesn’t work for renters. Roof top solar is great for people with spare cash to optimise heir future cash flow. I advocate for nuclear because it guarantees the poor won’t freeze in the dark.
- doublerabbit 1y ago
  Doesn't work how? If it's monetary gain then thats a political not one in residence. If not producing enough power then that's a people's problem. Being greedy taking more than what they need and for not enough resources on building efficiency. Overall solar works. It's just gate-kept tightly by evil organisations who are scared to lose their dirty cash for such technology to evolve.
  - nandomrumber 1y ago
    Because apartments don’t have roof tops. And why would a landlord sink $10,000+ in to a property for no return. Roof top solar only works for the user who has the roof top solar. For everyone else it makes electricity more expensive. Happy to be proven wrong. Show me a majority of places with high roof top solar penetration where per kWh electricity rates have fallen. And who cares about carbon emissions, China and India have that covered - I don’t need to worry about producing more or less CO2 emissions because it won’t make any difference whether or not I believe in catastrophic climate change.
    - mmooss 1y ago
      That's an interesting point, but a much less costly option is to change policies to incentivize landlords, not build multi-billion dollar nuclear plants. > And who cares about carbon emissions, China and India have that covered - I don’t need to worry about producing more or less CO2 emissions because it won’t make any difference whether or not I believe in catastrophic climate change. That doesn't change the US's contribution, the ability of the US to form successful international agreements, and the influence of the US pulling its weight as a much wealthier country than China or India. Blaming your neighbor for your bad behavior - I sell drugs off my porch because my neighbor does - doesn't make you less criminal. Also unacceptable, from moral and practical perspectives, is saying 'there's nothing I can do'. It's time we stop letting that pass.

melling 1y ago

Does the engineering problem have any time constraints? I suppose my sense of urgency comes from stated climate goals. An extra 50 years to solve the problem changes everything.