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I live in a mountainous area that attracts huge amount of motorcyclists on weekends. Most of the fatal accidents I recall in the last years (usually around a do

• pnut 1y ago
  https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/noise-camera-technology-roadside-trial https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/noise-camera-tech... The UK is trialling noise pollution cameras that mail fines to your home, same as for speeding. It's an externality whose days are numbered.
  • sergiotapia 1y ago
    Sickening use of tech. Living in a true surveillance state
    • rossng 1y ago
      Easy to say when you don't live next to a road frequented by drivers with ridiculous modified exhausts.
      • SilkRoadie 1y ago
        MOTs already have a decibel limit. I don't understand how these vehicles can be road worthy considering how loud they are. This technology feels like an engineers solution to a trivial legal issue.
        • badmintonbaseba 1y ago
          Isn't the issue that some people work around MOT decibel limits? After all they only need to pass the decibel limit on the MOT test, and not on the road in regular use. The engineering solution approach doesn't seem to be fundamentally different to speed cameras.
        • illiac786 1y ago
          What would be a better solution in your view?
        • mtreis86 1y ago
          Motorcycle exhausts are easy to swap out so people could easily take the MOT with the stock exhaust then swap the loud exhaust into place when they get home.
        • tenacious_tuna 1y ago
          I used to live in downtown Chicago, where the worst violators where high end sports cars, though we did get the occasional quartet of motorcycles ripping down the roat at 3am. Illinois doesn't require vehicle inspections, so there's no opportunity for exhaust modifications to be discovered.
    • quietbritishjim 1y ago
      Satire?
    • fsckboy 1y ago
      >Sickening use of tech. Living in a true surveillance state people with loud exhausts are shouting "look at me, look at me", so think of it like a clickwrap license agreeing to be surveilled
• jajko 1y ago
  They simply don't care for the second part. Some even consider it a safety feature (to be known well in advance) and modify exhausts to be louder accordingly. The amount of time me or our kids were woken up by some ferrari, maserati, chopper et al flooring it on purpose on nearby intersection past midnight has been many, punishment 0 nothing. After moving to rural countryside its one of many aspects I am certainly not missing from previous life and would have hard time coming back to lower quality of life in cities.
  • theoreticalmal 1y ago
    If you don’t mind me asking, what area of the world did you move from and to? What was the experience like, in general? Moving from cramped suburbia to a few acres in the mountains/countryside is a dream of mine these days
• AStonesThrow 1y ago
  When I was a child, our suburban home was at the mouth of a dead-end but very straight street. It was 100% residential, 25mph, single lane each way, but many motorists abused it. We could often tell when someone was lost, looking for the freeway, looking for a through lane that would put them somewhere else. When there was a high-speed crash into the barrier at the end, the car would often plummet into a ravine into the valley below. My mother tended to call this "taking the shortcut to Benihana" as that was the restaurant to be found at the bottom of the ravine (not an actual shortcut, but just a macabre sense of humor.) Now we had some neighbors with a very picturesque home a few blocks down. They were from Switzerland, and Dad owned a Volkswagen repair shop a few blocks in the other direction. Since they worked frequently on German-engineered Volkswagens, they also worked on Porsches. And so it worked out that Dad would often bring home a Porsche to work on or to play with, or something in-between. Dad had 2 or 3 sons who all loved cars, and so by the time they were driving age, there were quite a few Porsches in circulation there. And we always knew it, because those 911s are not quiet. And the sons would not be quiet either as they gunned their engines to show off their nice Porsches, in various states of souped-up or in-progress repair. It became a more or less nonstop parade of motors for a few years. My parents never miss an opportunity to complain, and so there is plenty of traffic still to give them a chance. There is at least one resident down the way with an obnoxiously loud motorcycle, so Mom and Dad always cluck and chide and complain as that vehicle takes its turn on the street.
• juliangmp 1y ago
  Id like to see this kind of brake light as the default for any vehicle, not just motorbikes. As for the noise, I get it. And I think the industry and the riders are to blame, motorbikes have been getting outrageously loud. Especially the fact that some newer bikes even come with exhaust valves that open at like 55-60 km/h is insane to me. While I enjoy the hobby I cometely understand why Südtirol did what it did and I won't be surprised to see strict limits like these pop up elsewhere too.
• charlesabarnes 1y ago
  To respond to your second part: I don't need to cope. Motorcycles are sold to meet noise pollution standards just like cars. Something about this generalization rubs me the wrong way. A person who modifies their motorcycle to be extremely loud does not care.
• KomoD 1y ago
  > Also, serious off-topic question to the motorcycle enthusiasts here: how do you cope with the fact that your weekend leisure ride is often a massive noise disturbance for hundreds of people and animals? Could say the same for cars, which contribute to more noise pollution.
  • bradlys 1y ago
    Yep. It’s weird to call out motorcycles when typically any good mountain roads frequented by motorcyclists are more commonly used by cars. Especially at night when any noise would be most disturbing. Motorcyclists don’t typically ride very fast on dark mountain roads at night (headlights on motorcycles barely illuminate anything) but auto enthusiasts certainly will. I’ve had both “loud” bikes and cars (all legal - stock, in fact). The cars easily have 10x the mileage. The one thing I’d say is - you can’t really control sound of the external world. Cities are infinitely louder. I live in nyc right now and live off a major avenue near the Lincoln tunnel. Whatever annoyances people here have with loud bikes, trust me - my noise is 1000x worse on a daily level. Yet, I’m not perturbed by it unless I open the window cause I chose a place that used quality windows and insulation.
• npsimons 1y ago
  > Also, serious off-topic question to the motorcycle enthusiasts here: how do you cope with the fact that your weekend leisure ride is often a massive noise disturbance for hundreds of people and animals? AFAICT, the noise is the point. The people with loud vehicles (and this includes the rattling bass and coffee can mufflers on low-end econoboxes) are selfish assholes, desperate for attention, often compensating for a failure in another part of their lives. "Loud pipes save lives" has zero data to back it up.
• 3ple_alpha 1y ago
  > Also, serious off-topic question to the motorcycle enthusiasts here: how do you cope with the fact that your weekend leisure ride is often a massive noise disturbance for hundreds of people and animals? I don't, I ride electric. It's not just leisure rides, too, noise is just as important for daily commute.
• Manuel_D 1y ago
  > how do you cope with the fact that your weekend leisure ride is often a massive noise disturbance for hundreds of people and animals? If you don't modify the exhaust of a motorcycle, it's noise levels are not different than a car, and substantially quieter than a semi truck.
• n000ne 1y ago
  I own a 2023 Ninja 650. This bike makes less noise than most cars :) Not all of us create major disturbances!